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09-29-2012, 11:17 AM
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That was a net loss for the Blue Jackets.

If they didn't trade for Carter in the first place they'd have Voracek and Couterier (8th overall) instead of Johnson (who is vastly over-rated) and a late 1st rounder in the 2013 draft (assuming King are a top team again this season).
If he truly is as overrated as suggested, that's nothing to worry about; thanks to the prowess of TinTin, the first pairing minutes he's likely to actually be getting are in spotlight and press time, not ice time.

And he's already one heck of a team leader and motivator, so there's that.

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09-29-2012, 11:29 AM
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Thought of another Avs trade, or two, involving Jordan Leopold:

To Flames: Alex Tanguay
To Avs: Jordan Leopold, 2nd (Codey Burki), 2nd (Trevor Cann)

Then at the deadline later on (2009, I think):

To Flames: Jordan Leopold
To Avs: Lawrence Nycholat, Ryan Wilson, 2nd (Stefan Elliott)

So, Tanguay became Wilson and Elliott. I could have sworn he became Stastny too but that pick must have came from somewhere else.
Derek Morris & Keith Ballard for Chris Gratton, Ossi Vššnšnšn and the almighty 2nd (PS).

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09-29-2012, 11:49 AM
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Horton trade

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09-29-2012, 12:14 PM
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The Pens getting Dupuis as a "throw in" on the Hossa trade.

Since the trade Dupuis has actually been one of the highest scoring players at even strength, in two seasons ago he cracked the top ten and last year he had the highest ES goal total of any player in the league last year. This was in a year where Staal and Sullivan were his primary line mates.
which league was that? Or am I missing something? How on earth could Dupuis have the highest ES goal total in the league?

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09-29-2012, 12:48 PM
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Brandon Bochenski

Nominated for the Calder the year after we traded him, and although he's been inconsistent, a 40-60 point player for nothing is pretty bad.. He'd fit in great on our 3rd line. Peverley-Kelly-Versteeg would be awesome. He'd fit in on our 2nd line too, if needed.

Also Kelly to us for a 2nd round pick has been nothing but excellent... He's one of our biggest leaders, stellar defensively, and potted 20 goals last year. So happy to have him locked up for a couple more years.

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09-29-2012, 01:13 PM
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Not totally underrated, but I'm sure a lot of people don't know that Vancouver 'stole' Naslund from Philly for professional fireman Alex Stojanov
That was Pittsburgh, not Philly.

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09-29-2012, 01:22 PM
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Keith Ballard + Derek Morris for Chris Gratton + Ossi Vaananen + a 2005 2nd round draft pick.

Avs were given the short end of the stick, right?

Wrong, the Avs drafted Paul Stastny with that 2nd rounder.

E: Aw nuts, got beaten to it. Should have read the thread more.

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09-29-2012, 01:31 PM
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Salo for Schaefer

I'd say Vancouver got the better end of the stick, considering how good Salo is when he's playing. Ottawa got a pretty good depth forward.

Anderson for Elliott

Doesn't get a ton of talk on the main boards anymore, but it's looked very good from Ottawa's end.


The Senators' 2008 draft day trade was another one nobody talks about anymore.

To Ottawa: NSH 1st Rounder 2008 (Karlsson)
To Nashville: OTT 1st Rounder 2008 (Chet Pickard) + OTT 3rd Rounder 2009 (Taylor Beck)


Going back aways, we gave up Pavol Demitra for basically nothing, never giving Demitra a real shot. Went to St. Louis and was an immediate impact player.

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Salo <-> Schaefer

I'd say Vancouver got the better end of the stick, considering how good Salo is when he's playing. Ottawa got a pretty good depth forward.

Anderson <-> Elliott

Doesn't get a ton of talk on the main boards anymore, but it's looked very good from Ottawa's end.
Very good from the Avs end too! Elliott's GAA of (I think) 3.8-something helped us tank and get Landeskog!

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I always love when deals work out great for both teams
Yeah I was excited to see Nikitin got back in his stride too. I can see him being a pretty good #3 or #4 guy

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Francois Beauchemin for Joffrey Lupul, Jake Gardiner and a 4th round pick.

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Keith Ballard + Derek Morris for Chris Gratton + Ossi Vaananen + a 2005 2nd round draft pick.

Avs were given the short end of the stick, right?

Wrong, the Avs drafted Paul Stastny with that 2nd rounder.

E: Aw nuts, got beaten to it. Should have read the thread more.
The mistake with that trade was letting Gratton go free agent instead of trading him.

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09-29-2012, 01:50 PM
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Francois Beauchemin for Joffrey Lupul, Jake Gardiner and a 4th round pick.
Underrated if you mean that it helped both teams out.

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09-29-2012, 01:54 PM
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The Pens getting Dupuis as a "throw in" on the Hossa trade.

Since the trade Dupuis has actually been one of the highest scoring players at even strength, in two seasons ago he cracked the top ten and last year he had the highest ES goal total of any player in the league last year. This was in a year where Staal and Sullivan were his primary line mates.
He had 25 ES goals, Stamkos had 48 ES goals.

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which league was that? Or am I missing something? How on earth could Dupuis have the highest ES goal total in the league?
I swear I remember reading it somewhere on here recently, I picked a couple random guys who were big point producers last season and

he outscored Giroux at even strength both in goals 24 to 22 and total points 56 to 55

he outscored Gabby at in ES pts 56 to 55 - gabby had 7 more goals (I'm shocked to see him with that low of PP goals on the year.

he outscored James Neal in ES goals 24 to 22 and in pts 56 to 51

he outscored Ovy in ES pts 56 to 42 - Ovy one more ES goal

he outscored Kovy Thornton and H Sedin in ES pts 56 to 54

Just looking at the guys that show up as leaders for pts, assists and goals on TSN's home page I found only three guys that had more even strength points that Dupers, Malkin, Stamkos and surprisingly Spezza who potted 60 points at ES last season but in Spezza's case he did tie Dupers with 24 ES goals.

Thats pretty good company I'd say

And he gets paid 1.5 mil a year.

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Look at my avatar. That trade got the Flyers to the stanley cup finals.

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09-29-2012, 03:03 PM
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Some of the trades listed aren't "underrated" or "under the radar".

An underrated trade would be Calgary sending Cory Stillman to St. Louis for Craig Conroy and a 7th-round pick. Stillman was an inconsistent, former first-round pick, who went on to have a solid pro career, including winning back-to-back Cups with Tampa Bay and Carolina.

Conroy was considered a checking line centre, who would end up developing great chemistry with Jarome Iginla and developing into a top-2 centre.

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09-29-2012, 03:38 PM
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Maybe it's not right to include this trade right now since both players haven't played for their new teams, but one day I would include James Van Riemsdyk for Luke Schenn. Yes it got a lot of media attention, however it could be a good trade for both teams because it seems Van Riemsdyk and Schenn both needed a change. So hopefully for the Leafs Van Riemsdyk can put up the same numbers he did in 2010-2011 season and I'm sure Luke is very happy to play on the same team with his brother Brayden.

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Maybe, maybe not. Voracek's inability to put it all together on the ice by this point is baffling; he's one of those guys who maybe will get it and perform, and maybe he won't. Couturier may or may not have been the pick if Columbus stayed put.

We don't know what the 2013 pick will look like. Don't forget that if the Kings had been bounced early (as they were expected to be), that pick would have been 15th, 16th, or 17th in 2012 (Terevainen? Laughton? Pearson?). And we have no idea what next year will look like either.

And as I said, Johnson looked worlds different than he had with the Kings. He showed a lot down the stretch, and immediately became someone that asserted leadership and got the attention of the younger players. I can't say that he was misused with the Kings, but he looked terrific with Columbus.
Johnson's leadership has always been there. Even in LA. His heart's in the right place and I always liked him. He's a great team guy (he negotiated his own contract), highly skilled, and loads of potential. Unfortunately, he is still prone to some massive defensive gaffs. He's improved slightly each season so there's no reason to believe he won't keep improving, but I really believe he could have benefited greatly by playing a year or two in the AHL.

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Kipper for a 2nd (Marc-Edouard Vlasic)
Flames get teir Franchise goalie and the Sharks get a solid d-man. Win-win?

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Tom Gilbert for Tommy Salo. oiler fans were not shocked by the Salo trade, we just did not know who Gilbert was and did not have a good view of uni kids at the time

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The Booth for Samuelsson trade was pretty underrated.

Canucks fans were excited about gettin Booth, but people were quick to forget he was a 50 point guy making 2.5 mil/year.

Looked good in Florida, and as per usual had a productive playoffs.

Obviously Booth has some upside as wellas question marks, but a lot of people thought of it as Florida getting rid of a long term contract for 2 expiring ones.

Both teams improved (and having Samuelsson walk at years end allows one of Floridas 9383 prospects to earn a solid roster spot).

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I swear I remember reading it somewhere on here recently, I picked a couple random guys who were big point producers last season and

he outscored Giroux at even strength both in goals 24 to 22 and total points 56 to 55

he outscored Gabby at in ES pts 56 to 55 - gabby had 7 more goals (I'm shocked to see him with that low of PP goals on the year.

he outscored James Neal in ES goals 24 to 22 and in pts 56 to 51

he outscored Ovy in ES pts 56 to 42 - Ovy one more ES goal

he outscored Kovy Thornton and H Sedin in ES pts 56 to 54

Just looking at the guys that show up as leaders for pts, assists and goals on TSN's home page I found only three guys that had more even strength points that Dupers, Malkin, Stamkos and surprisingly Spezza who potted 60 points at ES last season but in Spezza's case he did tie Dupers with 24 ES goals.

Thats pretty good company I'd say

And he gets paid 1.5 mil a year.
According to NHL.com he was 11th with 55 ES points and tied for 25th in ES goals. So not even close to number 1. But, of course, I have to agree with your general point - he became a valuable player for Pittsburgh even though he was just a complementary piece in the Hossa trade.

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A couple of recent Blues trades come to mind:

Blues trade David Warsofsky to Boston for Vladimir Sobotka
Blues trade Aaron Palushaj to Montreal for Matt D'Agostini

Blues get two quality top-9 forwards for two B-level prospects.

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Francois Beauchemin for Joffrey Lupul, Jake Gardiner and a 4th round pick.
This is one of the only source of pride the Leafs fans have. The other? Kaberle trade.

These are the only trades your fans talk about and is definitely not 'underrated'

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