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09-18-2012, 01:14 PM
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In a regular season, yes, it's only fair for the worst team to get a lottery pick. But after a lockout season? What if a team like Detroit would've bombed this season (shocking, I know ) and missed the playoffs with their current team? But since they had a relatively successful run the past few seasons, they don't benefit from a higher pick. After a lockout season, it makes sense that all teams get a fair shot at the number pick IMO.
You definitely make some valid points.

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Also I just want to apologize to everyone for this bickering that's been going on between me and ManByng - I know no one wants to see/read that **** and if you re-read the entire conversation I think you will realize that I never intended for this to drag on either but he just kept trying to pick a fight with me because of truthful Pens versus Oilers comment

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So by my understanding is with the Lock out. There's a new set of rules for drafts? I see people making their own up but I'm pretty sure the NHL already has it decided.
For instance:
Teams who have not entered the Playoffs in the past 4 seasons and who have not had 1st overall pick; get the best chance of most draft lottery balls.

Teams like Dallas, Toronto, Carolina just to name a FEW would have priority because they have not made it in, nor had the 1st overall picks in the last 4 seasons.

Teams like Edmonton or NYI who haven't made it in but had first overall picks get penalized. Whether its 1 less ball or aren't allowed to have the first pick and are in the running for 2nd overall and on I am not to sure. It also depends how far back they go. 3, 4 or 5 seasons.

I am not 100% sure on their layout. Knowing Bettman he will undoubtedly change something up last minute... But the basics would remain, it all depends on the number of lottery balls. Number of seasons they reach back to and if they do go with the 1st overall pick penalty for prior last place teams.


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Anaheim (1 playoff appearance)
Boston (3 playoff appearances)
Buffalo (2 playoff appearances)
Calgary (0 playoff appearances)
Carolina (0 playoff appearances)
Chicago (3 playoff appearances)
Colorado (1 playoff appearance)
Columbus (0 playoff appearances)
Dallas (0 playoff appearances)
Detroit (3 playoff appearances)
Edmonton (0 playoff appearances, 3 first overall picks,)
Florida (1 playoff appearance)
Los Angeles (3 playoff appearances)
Minnesota (0 playoff appearances)
Montreal (2 playoff appearances)
Nashville (3 playoff appearances)
New Jersey (2 playoff appearances)
New York I. (0 playoff appearances, 1 first overall pick)
New York R. (2 playoff appearances)
Ottawa (2 playoff appearances)
Philadelphia (3 playoff appearances)
Phoenix (3 playoff appearances)
Pittsburgh (3 playoff appearances)
San Jose (3 playoff appearances)
St. Louis (1 playoff appearance)
Tampa Bay (1 playoff appearance)
Toronto (0 playoff appearances)
Vancouver (3 playoff appearances)
Washington (3 playoff appearances)
Winnipeg (0 playoff appearances)

TEAMS WITH THREE BALLS (7)
Calgary, Carolina, Columbus, Dallas, Minnesota, Toronto, Winnipeg

TEAMS WITH TWO BALLS (6)
Anaheim, Colorado, Florida, New York (I), St. Louis, Tampa Bay

TEAMS WITH ONE BALL (17)
Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, Detroit, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Montreal, Nashville, New Jersey, New York (R), Ottawa, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Vancouver, Washington

Well, Columbus has three 1sts next year; NYR, LAK, and their own. So Columbus would have (3) CBJ, (1) NYR, (1) LAK. Could the Jackets have 3 picks in the top 5 because of this?

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09-21-2012, 11:00 AM
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Just did a mock lottery for those interested:

1. Philadelphia
2. New Jersey
3. Carolina
4. Toronto
5. Chicago
6. San Jose
7. Columbus
8. Florida
9. Buffalo
10. Calgary
11. Montreal
12. Nashville
13. Columbus(NYR)
14. Dallas
15. Minnesota
16. Edmonton
17. Tampa Bay
18. Colorado
19. Anaheim
20. Winnipeg
21. St. Louis
22. Phoenix
23. Washington
24. Columbus(LAK)
25. Ottawa
26. Vancouver
27. Pittsburgh
28. Detroit
29. New York Islanders
30. Boston

Philadelphia+Seth Jones....

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Well, Columbus has three 1sts next year; NYR, LAK, and their own. So Columbus would have (3) CBJ, (1) NYR, (1) LAK. Could the Jackets have 3 picks in the top 5 because of this?
Yes, they could. It's not likely, but theoretically, they could have 3 top 5 picks. They could possibly have the first 3 picks of the draft. Again, the chance of it happening are very small, but it's not impossible.

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Just did a mock lottery for those interested:

1. Philadelphia
2. New Jersey
3. Carolina
4. Toronto
5. Chicago
6. San Jose
7. Columbus
8. Florida
9. Buffalo
10. Calgary
11. Montreal
12. Nashville
13. Columbus(NYR)
14. Dallas
15. Minnesota
16. Edmonton
17. Tampa Bay
18. Colorado
19. Anaheim
20. Winnipeg
21. St. Louis
22. Phoenix
23. Washington
24. Columbus(LAK)
25. Ottawa
26. Vancouver
27. Pittsburgh
28. Detroit
29. New York Islanders
30. Boston

Philadelphia+Seth Jones....
Would love to get Jones but I'd bet against it.

Hopefully it doesn't come down to a draft lottery, although I don't have much faith in the NHL or NHLPA.

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If the Oilers or Pens win the 1st overall, the Universe would implode.

If there is even half a season and the Oilers get the 1st pick, the universe would still implode.

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Well, Columbus has three 1sts next year; NYR, LAK, and their own. So Columbus would have (3) CBJ, (1) NYR, (1) LAK. Could the Jackets have 3 picks in the top 5 because of this?
This is a new lockout, so new rules should be implemented. Why should New Jersey and Nashville get 1 ball each, while Minny gets three. Free agency should be taken into consideration as well as a team like the Oilers getting the last 3 no. picks.

Funny, most experts have Minny making the playoffs, while the Devils not, yet they should have at shot at a top five pick, I think using the old system from the last lockout is unfair and short-sighted.

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09-24-2012, 12:04 PM
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This is a new lockout, so new rules should be implemented. Why should New Jersey and Nashville get 1 ball each, while Minny gets three. Free agency should be taken into consideration as well as a team like the Oilers getting the last 3 no. picks.

Funny, most experts have Minny making the playoffs, while the Devils not, yet they should have at shot at a top five pick, I think using the old system from the last lockout is unfair and short-sighted.
Because Parise walked? I agree that NJ will likely be worse than Minnesota this year, but until hockey is played there is no way to quantify that. Its an imperfect system, but changing the number of balls based on who teams were able to sign in free agency seems more unfair to me.

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This actually happened....

Pick 1: Edmonton - MacKinnon
Pick 2: Tampa - Jones
Pick 3: Anaheim - Barkov
Pick 4: Detroit - Monahan
Pick 5: Boston - Lindholm
Pick 6: Dallas - Ristolainen
Pick 7: Calgary - Shinkaruk
Pick 8: Minnesota - Erne
Pick 9: LA (CBJ?) - Rychel
Pick 10: Colorado - Pulock
Pick 11: Winnipeg - Lazar
Pick 12: Toronto - Domi
Pick 13: Phoenix - Ekman-Larsson
Pick 14: NYR (CBJ?) - de La Rose
Pick 15: Columbus - Burakovsky
Pick 16: Nashville - Hagg
Pick 17: NJ - Fucale
Pick 18: Pittsburgh - Duclair
Pick 19: Montreal - Drouin
Pick 20: Carolina - Morrissey
Pick 21: Chicago - Subban
Pick 22: Florida - Zadorov
Pick 23: Philadelphia - Klimchuk
Pick 24: NYI - Roy
Pick 25: SJ - Horvat
Pick 26: Ottawa - Nurse
Pick 27: St. Louis - Kujawinski
Pick 28: Vancouver - Forsberg
Pick 29: Washington - Carrier
Pick 30: Buffalo - Comrie


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Pick 1: columbus
Pick 2: dallas
Pick 3: florida
Pick 4: chicago
Pick 5: nj
Pick 6: detroit
Pick 7: carolina
Pick 8: anaheim
Pick 9: minnesota
Pick 10: washington
Pick 11: montreal
Pick 12: edmonton
Pick 13: winnipeg
Pick 14: nyr
Pick 15: phoenix
Pick 16: tb
Pick 17: vancouver
Pick 18: toronto
Pick 19: st louis
Pick 20: boston
Pick 21: nyi
Pick 22: ottawa
Pick 23: colorado
Pick 24: pittsburgh
Pick 25: buffalo
Pick 26: sj
Pick 27: nashville
Pick 28: calgary
Pick 29: la
Pick 30: philadelphia

i can live with this columbus gets the #1 and we get #3. huberdeau, bjugstad, monahan/barkov? yes please

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This actually happened....

Pick 1: Edmonton - MacKinnon
Pick 2: Tampa - Jones
Pick 3: Anaheim - Barkov
Pick 4: Detroit - Monahan
Pick 5: Boston - Lindholm
Pick 6: Dallas - Ristolainen
Pick 7: Calgary - Shinkaruk
Pick 8: Minnesota - Erne
Pick 9: LA (CBJ?) - Rychel
Pick 10: Colorado - Pulock
Pick 11: Winnipeg - Lazar
Pick 12: Toronto - Domi
Pick 13: Phoenix - Ekman-Larsson
Pick 14: NYR (CBJ?) - de La Rose
Pick 15: Columbus - Burakovsky
Pick 16: Nashville - Hagg
Pick 17: NJ - Fucale
Pick 18: Pittsburgh - Duclair
Pick 19: Montreal - Drouin
Pick 20: Carolina - Morrissey
Pick 21: Chicago - Subban
Pick 22: Florida - Zadorov
Pick 23: Philadelphia - Klimchuk
Pick 24: NYI - Roy
Pick 25: SJ - Horvat
Pick 26: Ottawa - Nurse
Pick 27: St. Louis - Kujawinski
Pick 28: Vancouver - Forsberg
Pick 29: Washington - Carrier
Pick 30: Buffalo - Comrie

As a Flames fan I can live with getting Shinkurak, not exactly what we need, but a blue-chip none the less.

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This is a new lockout, so new rules should be implemented. Why should New Jersey and Nashville get 1 ball each, while Minny gets three. Free agency should be taken into consideration as well as a team like the Oilers getting the last 3 no. picks.

Funny, most experts have Minny making the playoffs, while the Devils not, yet they should have at shot at a top five pick, I think using the old system from the last lockout is unfair and short-sighted.
Come on man. Its been almost three months now. Get off it. Looks like Carolina cant get a top pick, they got Semin. Vancouver cant because they got Garrisson. Calgary cant because they got Wideman and Hudler. Dallas cant because they got Whitney and Jagr.

Do you see where i'm going with this? That argument is ridiculous.

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This is a new lockout, so new rules should be implemented. Why should New Jersey and Nashville get 1 ball each, while Minny gets three. Free agency should be taken into consideration as well as a team like the Oilers getting the last 3 no. picks.

Funny, most experts have Minny making the playoffs, while the Devils not, yet they should have at shot at a top five pick, I think using the old system from the last lockout is unfair and short-sighted.
They're not going to select the draft order based on some hypothetical scenario of how teams *might* have done. The draft order has always been dictated by past performance, and this style of lottery is no different.

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This is a new lockout, so new rules should be implemented. Why should New Jersey and Nashville get 1 ball each, while Minny gets three. Free agency should be taken into consideration as well as a team like the Oilers getting the last 3 no. picks.

Funny, most experts have Minny making the playoffs, while the Devils not, yet they should have at shot at a top five pick, I think using the old system from the last lockout is unfair and short-sighted.
are you kidding me?? free agency has nothing to do about where a team should be in a draft. its all about previous performance

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These draft suggestions as to number of balls are just too complicated. Forget lotteries. Forget so many balls for this or that. Keep it simple. Begin the draft alphabetically starting with the first overall pick going to Anaheim and the 30th pick going to Winnipeg. Obviously that is the only true method for choosing any drafting order.




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^ I like this idea

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These draft suggestions as to number of balls are just too complicated. Forget lotteries. Forget so many balls for this or that. Keep it simple. Begin the draft alphabetically starting with the first overall pick going to Anaheim and the 30th pick going to Winnipeg. Obviously that is the only true method for choosing any drafting order.



Only if we go by the team name rather than city name.(i.e Canucks instead of Vancouver)

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These draft suggestions as to number of balls are just too complicated. Forget lotteries. Forget so many balls for this or that. Keep it simple. Begin the draft alphabetically starting with the first overall pick going to Anaheim and the 30th pick going to Winnipeg. Obviously that is the only true method for choosing any drafting order.



You sir have my vote for President.

Wait...but Winnipeg gets boned. Make it a snake draft and you got yourself a deal.

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You sir have my vote for President.

Wait...but Winnipeg gets boned. Make it a snake draft and you got yourself a deal.
President? Heck 200 years ago we burned the White House down. Did you guys rebuild it?

Also please note the Canucks would draft only 2 picks before Winnipeg.

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Only if we go by the team name rather than city name.(i.e Canucks instead of Vancouver)
That could get controversial. Who drafts first - Columbus or St. Louis?

(I suggest using the city name as a tiebreaker. )


EDIT: In pure ASCII text sort, the space character comes before "s". Therefore, your draft order:

1. Avalanche
2. Blackhawks
3. Blue Jackets
4. Blues
5. Bruins
6. Canadiens
7. Canucks
8. Capitals
9. Coyotes
10. Devils
11. Ducks
12. Flames
13. Flyers
14. Hurricanes
15. Islanders
16. Jets
17. Kings [held by CBJ]
18. Lightning
19. Maple Leafs
20. Oilers
21. Panthers
22. Penguins
23. Predators
24. Rangers [held by CBJ]
25. Red Wings
26. Sabres
27. Senators
28. Sharks
29. Stars
30. Wild


And if we're doing city names, with team names as a tiebreaker for New York...
1. Anaheim
2. Boston
3. Buffalo
4. Calgary
5. Carolina
6. Chicago
7. Colorado
8. Columbus
9. Dallas
10. Detroit
11. Edmonton
12. Florida
13. Los Angeles [held by CBJ]
14. Minnesota
15. Montreal
16. Nashville
17. New Jersey
18. New York (I)
19. New York (R) [held by CBJ]
20. Ottawa
21. Philadelphia
22. Phoenix
23. Pittsburgh
24. San Jose
25. St. Louis
26. Tampa Bay
27. Toronto
28. Vancouver
29. Washington
30. Winnipeg


I think I prefer team name.

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That could get controversial. Who drafts first - Columbus or St. Louis?

(I suggest using the city name as a tiebreaker. )


EDIT: In pure ASCII text sort, the space character comes before "s". Therefore, your draft order:

1. Avalanche
2. Blackhawks
3. Blue Jackets
4. Blues
5. Bruins
6. Canadiens
7. Canucks
8. Capitals
9. Coyotes
10. Devils
11. Ducks
12. Flames
13. Flyers
14. Hurricanes
15. Islanders
16. Jets
17. Kings [held by CBJ]
18. Lightning
19. Maple Leafs
20. Oilers
21. Panthers
22. Penguins
23. Predators
24. Rangers [held by CBJ]
25. Red Wings
26. Sabres
27. Senators
28. Sharks
29. Stars
30. Wild
Fine with me.

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These draft suggestions as to number of balls are just too complicated. Forget lotteries. Forget so many balls for this or that. Keep it simple. Begin the draft alphabetically starting with the first overall pick going to Anaheim and the 30th pick going to Winnipeg. Obviously that is the only true method for choosing any drafting order.



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You sir have my vote for President.

Wait...but Winnipeg gets boned. Make it a snake draft and you got yourself a deal.
For the second round, teams are forced to honor their heritage in a snake-style draft. So in reverse order...

Phoenix (Winnipeg)
Washington
Vancouver
Toronto
Tampa Bay
San Jose
St. Louis
Colorado (Quebec)
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Ottawa
NY Rangers
NY Islanders
Nashville
Montreal
Dallas (Minnesota)
Minnesota
Los Angeles
Carolina (Hartford)
Florida
Edmonton
Detroit
Columbus
New Jersey (Colorado)
Chicago
Buffalo
Boston
Winnipeg (Atlanta)
Calgary (Atlanta)
Anaheim

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This is what happens when I have too much time on my hands and a silly idea...

I have a new favorite means of determining the draft order: Descending order by the earliest year your market had NHL (or NHA) hockey.

Tiebreakers, in descending order of importance:
  • Origin year of your current franchise (if different)
  • Origin year of your market's non-NHL/NHA pro league predecessor (if any)
  • Origin year of your current NHL/NHA franchise from when it was founded in another city (if applicable, because I needed something for Dallas)
  • Origin year of the franchise that provided your franchise's initial roster (because I needed to make a distinction between Chicago and Detroit somehow).

Resulting order:
#1: Columbus (2000)
#2: Nashville (1998)
#3: Carolina (1997)
#4: Phoenix (1996)
#5: Anaheim (1993; current franchise)
#6: Florida (1993; 1971 prior franchise in WHA "Screaming Eagles"*)
#7: Dallas (1993; 1967 origin year of franchise)
#8: Tampa Bay (1992)
#9: New Jersey (1981)
#10: Calgary (1980)
#11: Winnipeg (1979 as the Jets; 2011 current franchise year)
#12: Edmonton (1979; current franchise)
#13: Colorado (1976 as the Rockies)
#14: Washington (1974)
#15: Buffalo (1972; current franchise)
#16: New York Islanders (1972; 1972 concurrent franchise in WHA "Raiders")**
#17: Vancouver (1972; 1911 prior franchise in PCHA "Millionaires")
#18: Minnesota (1967 as the North Stars; 2000 current franchise year)
#19: San Jose (1967 as the Seals; 1991 current franchise year)
#20: Los Angeles (1967; current franchise)
#21: St. Louis (1934 as the Eagles; 1967 current franchise year)
#22: Philadelphia (1930 as the Quakers; 1967 current franchise year)
#23: Chicago (1926; 1925 roster-providing franchise in WCHL "Portland Rosebuds")
#24: Detroit (1926; 1919 roster-providing franchise in WCHL "Victoria Aristocrats/Cougars")
#25: Pittsburgh (1925 as the Pirates; 1967 current franchise year)
#26: New York Rangers (1925 as the Americans; 1926 current franchise year)
#27: Boston (1924)
#28: Toronto (1912 as the Blueshirts AND concurrently the Tecumsehs; 1917 current franchise year)
#29: Ottawa (1909 as the Ottawa HC "Silver Seven"; 1992 current franchise year)
#30: Montreal (1909; current franchise)***

*: Yes, I'm aware the Screaming Eagles never actually played a game. I needed something to go by.

**: Technically, the Raiders actually played in Madison Square Garden! But I desperately needed a tiebreaker, and they WERE originally founded with the intention of playing on Long Island. The Americans wouldn't have worked; they also played in MSG.

***: Technically, this is "1909 as the Wanderers AND concurrently as Les Canadiens AND concurrently as the Shamrocks; 1910 current franchise year" (due to a bizarre historical quirk of how the Canadiens franchise sale was done - they got all the players from the roster of Les Canadiens and the actual franchise rights from Haileybury, so technically it's a relocation), but Montreal claims 1909 as the origin date (and the history of the Les Canadiens franchise) and it's close enough to the truth that I'm not going to push it. Besides, it doesn't change the draft order one bit.


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Although I think Sens fans may want to burn me in effigy...


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