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09-29-2012, 05:32 PM
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Sass never respected Wiman's ground game and paid the price.
Basically. I thought he was going to pound him out to begin with. If he had stuck to that plan, he'd have probably won.

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09-29-2012, 05:33 PM
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Sass never respected Wiman's ground game and paid the price.
For sure, Wiman put Sass in some bad spots. Sass's offensive BJJ game is great, but he has a ton of work to do on the defensive side of things if this fight was any indication.

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09-29-2012, 05:34 PM
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For sure, Wiman put Sass in some bad spots. Sass's offensive BJJ game is great, but he has a ton of work to do on the defensive side of things if this fight was any indication.
Normally, if you're good offensively, you're good defensively, considering how it's trained. That said, I don't think this fight is any indicator that Sass is an exception to that.

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09-29-2012, 05:42 PM
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Well there's his nickname.

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That was some solid Gangnam Style after.

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09-29-2012, 05:45 PM
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Pretty good card so far for a freebee.

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Pretty good card so far for a freebee.
Very good card. The only one that I have complaints about was Hathaway-McGuire. Total mismatch and was kind of boring.

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09-29-2012, 05:57 PM
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Normally, if you're good offensively, you're good defensively, considering how it's trained. That said, I don't think this fight is any indicator that Sass is an exception to that.
I have to disagree a bit, especially for guys like Sass who have a few techniques they are extremely good at. He has spent much of his time during his fights in positions that he likes and he is comfortable with, so he hasn't had an opportunity to work out of defensive positions. Of course he's trained out of these positions, but the actual fight is always a bit different than training.

I guess the other answer is that Sass has mastered a couple submissions but isn't that good overall on the ground, similar (although worlds better) to Cody McKenzie.

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I hate Dan Hardy. I just want him to get whooped by Riddle.

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Very good card. The only one that I have complaints about was Hathaway-McGuire. Total mismatch and was kind of boring.
Agreed. Maguire should be fighting at 155.

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09-29-2012, 05:59 PM
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I have to disagree a bit, especially for guys like Sass who have a few techniques they are extremely good at. He has spent much of his time during his fights in positions that he likes and he is comfortable with, so he hasn't had an opportunity to work out of defensive positions. Of course he's trained out of these positions, but the actual fight is always a bit different than training.

I guess the other answer is that Sass has mastered a couple submissions but isn't that good overall on the ground, similar (although worlds better) to Cody McKenzie.
It's just the way it's trained. The general gist of it is that if you know the ins and outs to getting into it, you know how to avoid, defend and get out of it. Talking about one point where the guy capitalizes on a mistake isn't showing of his overall skill. It's like Belcher and Palhares. Does Belcher get that heel hook more than 1 out of 10 times? Probably not.

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09-29-2012, 06:04 PM
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It's just the way it's trained. The general gist of it is that if you know the ins and outs to getting into it, you know how to avoid, defend and get out of it. Talking about one point where the guy capitalizes on a mistake isn't showing of his overall skill. It's like Belcher and Palhares. Does Belcher get that heel hook more than 1 out of 10 times? Probably not.
It wasn't one mistake, it was a prolonged period of time on the ground where Wiman had multiple attempts and put Sass in a bit of danger.

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09-29-2012, 06:12 PM
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Hardy is looking very impressive in his last couple fights.

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09-29-2012, 06:13 PM
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Hardy's grappling/GNP looks way better than I've ever seen it.

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Sadollah should pack it in after getting worked on the ground by Dan Hardy. Good to see Hardy trying to improve his game though.

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09-29-2012, 06:46 PM
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what a fight! WOW

what a chin by miocic

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Just watched the 2nd and that was a great round.

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Great second round. Nice win for Struve, he FINALLY used his range properly in a fight and he got a huge win out of it.

If Big Nog beats Herman, I'd love to see Struve v Big Nog next.

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Miocic was going already, but that slip really opened him up for the final barrage.

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Wow. Struve has gotten a lot better. I'm in sigh mode though, I like Stipe a lot. He's got room to improve though.

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09-29-2012, 07:03 PM
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This ended up being a great card. Like it was pointed out, the only bad fight was the John v John fight. The rest was pretty good. Was impressed by Hardy's overall improvement and glad to see he won in his hometown. I wanted Struve to win the main event and I'm glad he did. Interesting to see where he goes from here. Anyone think a fight between him and Werdum makes sense? Not sure who else would be out there unless they wanted him vs Overeem when the Reem is off his suspension.

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Wow. Struve has gotten a lot better. I'm in sigh mode though, I like Stipe a lot. He's got room to improve though.
Yea, I'm a big fan of Stipe's as well. He looked good early in the fight, but you can definitely tell that he has room to grow. Losses often seem to make these guys better though.

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09-29-2012, 07:40 PM
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Good win for Struve, but he still gets tagged way too much. The 2nd round was the first time I've ever seen him establish his range.

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