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09-29-2012, 07:26 PM
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The most visible muscles are not always the most used though, looking jacked doesn't mean you are that strong.
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It means the average Jersey Shore lookalike wouldn't be able to survive a hit on the ice from Yannick effing Weber no matter how many bicep curls they do.
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Nope.. my buddy who looks like Ronnie off Jersey Shore can do nothing against my buddy who has finished rather high in the Olympic trials for Canada in wrestling.
Contrary to popular belief, Yannick Weber and your wrestling buddy () would get their ass beat if it were say, arm wrestling or straight fighting against Ronnie. More muscles almost always equals more power.

Doesn't mean technique or anything is involved but there is a very direct correlation between JACKEDNESS and the amount of POWER (force over distance over time) the muscle can exert. More muscle fibers create more tension (or whatever it's called) and can essentially do more, and quicker because there are more of them to do the work.

I don't really care to define "strength" because we all have a bro who is totally gonna kick another bro's butt at something because even though the first bro is a bit smaller he knows all sorts of moves, bro. Strength is relative, Ronnie can't power-skate as well as Yannick Weber can - and it's alright. But larger muscles can exert more power and it is very simple. Ronnie can bench more than Weber can, isn't that a direct measurement of strength anyway?

(Broscience does suck and I'm totally ready to accept if I'm wrong; though I'm almost certain I studied this in bio class when an actual bro asked this very question)

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Contrary to popular belief, Yannick Weber and your wrestling buddy () would get their ass beat if it were say, arm wrestling or straight fighting against Ronnie. More muscles almost always equals more power.

Doesn't mean technique or anything is involved but there is a very direct correlation between JACKEDNESS and the amount of POWER (force over distance over time) the muscle can exert. More muscle fibers create more tension (or whatever it's called) and can essentially do more, and quicker because there are more of them to do the work.

I don't really care to define "strength" because we all have a bro who is totally gonna kick another bro's butt at something because even though the first bro is a bit smaller he knows all sorts of moves, bro. Strength is relative, Ronnie can't power-skate as well as Yannick Weber can - and it's alright. But larger muscles can exert more power and it is very simple. Ronnie can bench more than Weber can, isn't that a direct measurement of strength anyway?

(Broscience does suck and I'm totally ready to accept if I'm wrong; though I'm almost certain I studied this in bio class when an actual bro asked this very question)
Trust me, my wrestling buddy can lift way more than the Ronnie look-alike. The man powerlifts a stupid amount of weight. His core and legs are insanely strong, which will give you an advantage in a fight, technique aside, it has a lot to do with equilibrium, balance, and strength... leverage etc.

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09-29-2012, 10:39 PM
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Contrary to popular belief, Yannick Weber and your wrestling buddy () would get their ass beat if it were say, arm wrestling or straight fighting against Ronnie. More muscles almost always equals more power.
Yeah definitely.



Ronnie would kill this guy in an arm wrestle too.

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Trust me, my wrestling buddy can lift way more than the Ronnie look-alike. The man powerlifts a stupid amount of weight. His core and legs are insanely strong, which will give you an advantage in a fight, technique aside, it has a lot to do with equilibrium, balance, and strength... leverage etc.
But the idea is that if you have more muscles you can generate more power. If your wrestling friend can powerlift a ton, then he probably has more muslces than someone who can't powerlift that much.

I don't care about Ronnie or anyone really I'm just explaining what is very simple: more muscles (almost always) = stronger.

Eller looks more powerful than before, end of story.

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09-30-2012, 08:32 AM
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It's not the same for everyone.
true but the majority of men will see a 6 pack -IF they have some kind of core development AND their body fat is in the 10%BF or obviously lower range

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But the idea is that if you have more muscles you can generate more power. If your wrestling friend can powerlift a ton, then he probably has more muslces than someone who can't powerlift that much.

I don't care about Ronnie or anyone really I'm just explaining what is very simple: more muscles (almost always) = stronger.

Eller looks more powerful than before, end of story.
This is exactly what I'm talking about and not a difficult concept.

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It's not the same type of huge player as one Pernell Karl Subban...

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Eller is also great at trash talking Gorges and Gill on twitter. He's probably the only NHLer I've seen so far whose twitter use actually makes him seem bright.

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Eller is also great at trash talking Gorges and Gill on twitter. He's probably the only NHLer I've seen so far whose twitter use actually makes him seem bright.
Eller's swag is underrated.

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Bwahahaha this thread.
I agree. Dear God, someone please start a Gomez or Kaberle thread.

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Contrary to popular belief, Yannick Weber and your wrestling buddy () would get their ass beat if it were say, arm wrestling or straight fighting against Ronnie. More muscles almost always equals more power.

Doesn't mean technique or anything is involved but there is a very direct correlation between JACKEDNESS and the amount of POWER (force over distance over time) the muscle can exert. More muscle fibers create more tension (or whatever it's called) and can essentially do more, and quicker because there are more of them to do the work.

I don't really care to define "strength" because we all have a bro who is totally gonna kick another bro's butt at something because even though the first bro is a bit smaller he knows all sorts of moves, bro. Strength is relative, Ronnie can't power-skate as well as Yannick Weber can - and it's alright. But larger muscles can exert more power and it is very simple. Ronnie can bench more than Weber can, isn't that a direct measurement of strength anyway?

(Broscience does suck and I'm totally ready to accept if I'm wrong; though I'm almost certain I studied this in bio class when an actual bro asked this very question)
I think what you're trying to say is bigger muscles, not more muscles. We all have the same amount of muscles unless something went wrong physiologically.

But bigger does not always mean stronger. Someone that focuses on bodybuilding with isolated exercises, won't be stronger than someone following an olympic weightlifting or powerlifting training, yet he could be bigger.

It's not always as simple as bigger=stronger.

That being said, athletes do not train as bodybuilders. So, I agree, Eller is likely to be stronger.

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I think what you're trying to say is bigger muscles, not more muscles. We all have the same amount of muscles unless something went wrong physiologically.

But bigger does not always mean stronger. Someone that focuses on bodybuilding with isolated exercises, won't be stronger than someone following an olympic weightlifting or powerlifting training, yet he could be bigger.

It's not always as simple as bigger=stronger.

That being said, athletes do not train as bodybuilders. So, I agree, Eller is likely to be stronger.
What he's trying to say is that if person A's Bicep muscle is bigger than Person B's, than he can exert more power using that muscle. You can't dispute that. There are other factors that can come into play, but a bigger muscle means the potential to exert the strength using that muscle is greater

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What he's trying to say is that if person A's Bicep muscle is bigger than Person B's, than he can exert more power using that muscle. You can't dispute that. There are other factors that can come into play, but a bigger muscle means the potential to exert the strength using that muscle is greater
Sure, but that's not something you measure by physical appearance. Obviously I'm not talking about comparing a 140lbs 5'3 guy to a 6'2 245lbs athlete.

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Sure, but that's not something you measure by physical appearance. Obviously I'm not talking about comparing a 140lbs 5'3 guy to a 6'2 245lbs athlete.
You can take a damn good guess by appearances though. But we're in agreement, so now I'm just waiting for Mrb1p to admit he was mistaken and foolish.

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What he's trying to say is that if person A's Bicep muscle is bigger than Person B's, than he can exert more power using that muscle. You can't dispute that. There are other factors that can come into play, but a bigger muscle means the potential to exert the strength using that muscle is greater
At the same time, if you are the kind of person who does bicep curls all day to have the biggest biceps in the world mainly for appearance, you aren't going to have a strength advantage over anyone who might have slightly smaller biceps but an equally strong tricep. Exclusive bicep training has no use besides appearance.

Very few activities require only one muscle, yes it's likely that someone who has big biceps also have other big muscles, but we all know that one guy who does nothing but bicep curls, that's the perfect example of how superficial appearance doesn't mean practical strength.

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I think what you're trying to say is bigger muscles, not more muscles. We all have the same amount of muscles unless something went wrong physiologically.

But bigger does not always mean stronger. Someone that focuses on bodybuilding with isolated exercises, won't be stronger than someone following an olympic weightlifting or powerlifting training, yet he could be bigger.

It's not always as simple as bigger=stronger.

That being said, athletes do not train as bodybuilders. So, I agree, Eller is likely to be stronger.
This thread is hilarious!

I don't know anything about this supposed "broscience" but I am a physics guy. Just taking a guess here but, technically speaking, shouldn't muscle density be the determining factor relating to strength? Is "muscle density" even a real thing? Lol because bigger doesn't mean denser. And then there's the part about a short guy and a tall guy having the same size biceps, the short guy should be stronger, no? He'd be able to create more torque I'd think, but I could.totally be wrong! Educate me bro!

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This thread is hilarious!

I don't know anything about this supposed "broscience" but I am a physics guy. Just taking a guess here but, technically speaking, shouldn't muscle density be the determining factor relating to strength? Is "muscle density" even a real thing? Lol because bigger doesn't mean denser. And then there's the part about a short guy and a tall guy having the same size biceps, the short guy should be stronger, no? He'd be able to create more torque I'd think, but I could.totally be wrong! Educate me bro!
I'm not the most experienced lifter, but everything in this post is correct. Broscience, whatever it is, sounds extremely gay.

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I'm not the most experienced lifter, but everything in this post is correct. Broscience, whatever it is, sounds extremely gay.
Times one billion

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This thread is hilarious!

I don't know anything about this supposed "broscience" but I am a physics guy. Just taking a guess here but, technically speaking, shouldn't muscle density be the determining factor relating to strength? Is "muscle density" even a real thing? Lol because bigger doesn't mean denser. And then there's the part about a short guy and a tall guy having the same size biceps, the short guy should be stronger, no? He'd be able to create more torque I'd think, but I could.totally be wrong! Educate me bro!
My point was that physical appearance isn't a determining factor when it comes to strength, or power.
The size of a bicep (a relatively small muscle) means nothing.

You measure strength, power, flexibility, coordination, accuracy, stamina, endurance, speed, agility, balance through various tests, not physical appearance. Those ten components should all be considered when talking about general fitness.
I have never heard of any athletes getting their actual muscles measured, so I don't know whether bigger actually means stronger.
And where does it end? Person A has bigger arms but Person B has bigger shoulders. Who's stronger?
The basic principle of ''the guy who appears to be bigger'' is necessarily stronger is just wrong. Now, maybe bigger does mean stronger, it certainly seems logical. My point is just that there's no way to really know the size of the muscle just by looking at someone. Remove bone density, remove water retention, that arm won't look as big, but there's no way to know what it would look like just by looking at a guy.

I work in fitness, I've seen smaller guys (in terms of ''jackedness'') lift just as much or more than bigger guys.

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Yes he is huge. I'm digging the symmetry. They both dangle so evenly, we'll it might be a
Little heavy on the left but pretty close to perfection. Nice!!

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Lordy people, this thread should be worth a good laugh from non Habs fans, way to embarrass yourselfs.

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