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09-30-2012, 12:32 PM
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Montreal - Detroit

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Detroit needs defense, Montreal has lots of defensemen who are expendable. Detroit has lots of good prospects that might be enticing for Montreal.

At the deadline, if Montreal isn't in playoff position, the Habs and Wings seem like good trading partners, each possessing something that the other team wants/needs.

Question to Habs Fans:
1) Who would you be willing to part with on Defense?

2) Who of Detroit's many forward prospects would you want?

Question to Wings fans:
1) Which Montreal blueliners do you want? (besides Subban probably)

2) Which of your forward prospects would you be willing to move to Montreal?

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09-30-2012, 12:37 PM
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Josh Gorges + 5th

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Cleary/Bertuzzi + Tatar + 2nd


ehhhhh Habs fans?

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09-30-2012, 12:43 PM
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I wonder if Markov makes sense? He's out of the core age of the Habs, but could definitely be a contributor to Detroit now. Detroit has a few good prospects, and the uncertainty that Markov will be healthy could balance out the risk of a prospect panning out.

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Cleary/Bertuzzi + Tatar + 2nd


ehhhhh Habs fans?
Take off, ehh.

I would think Kaberle or Weber would be the pieces we would be looking to move, if anyone, unless we are doing a complete rebuild and then Markov would likely be on the table.

I doubt Gorges would be moved under any circumstances (other than him asking for a trade). He's not worth that much in trade and the Habs seems to like him a lot.

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I wonder if Markov makes sense? He's out of the core age of the Habs, but could definitely be a contributor to Detroit now. Detroit has a few good prospects, and the uncertainty that Markov will be healthy could balance out the risk of a prospect panning out.
As good as Markov is, Wings don't need puck moving skill. We want a guy who can play physical, block shots, take away space&time, etc. Doesn't help that Markov only plays 50% of the games in a season in the best of these past few seasons. (I'm aware Gorges has also missed significant time, recently.)

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How about Emelin? What's the price tag?

Not really interested in others except Subban and Gorges who are totally off the table and likely off the table, respectively.

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How about Emelin? What's the price tag?

Not really interested in others except Subban and Gorges who are totally off the table and likely off the table, respectively.
Emelin's price tag would be relatively high. We've waited for years for him to come over, and he's finally starting to pay dividends. He's also our biggest hitter.

It would probably cost something around Jurco, which is overvalue for him IMO.


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Emelin's price tag would be relatively high. We've waited for years for him to come over, and he's finally starting to pay dividends. He's also our biggest hitter.

It would probably cost something around Turco, which is overvalue for him IMO.
If you guys really want Turco I guess we could try & sign him then trade him to you. Though with Price in net it's a hefty price to pay for a backup goalie

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If you guys really want Turco I guess we could try & sign him the trade him to you. Though with Price in net it's a hefty price to pay for a backup goalie
T. Jurco, my bad

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Gorges and Emelin better not go nowhere....they're Habs for lifeeee

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I'd love to have Emelin, but I doubt Montreal has any interest in trading him.

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Detroit needs defense, Montreal has lots of defensemen who are expendable. Detroit has lots of good prospects that might be enticing for Montreal.

At the deadline, if Montreal isn't in playoff position, the Habs and Wings seem like good trading partners, each possessing something that the other team wants/needs.

Question to Habs Fans:
1) Who would you be willing to part with on Defense?

2) Who of Detroit's many forward prospects would you want?

Question to Wings fans:
1) Which Montreal blueliners do you want? (besides Subban probably)

2) Which of your forward prospects would you be willing to move to Montreal?
Devils fit Montreal as well.

Plenty of defense and d prospects, and are bare on forwards, both at the NHL level and in prospects.

Volchenkov and Tallinder the two most likely candidates for Devils to trade, although Volchenkov has an NTC.

Tallinder for a prospect and a pick would suffice for me.

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Not trying to hijack the thread or anything, but Fistric might be available depending on how things work out. We've got 7 defensemen who should be in the NHL (Goligoski, Daley, Larsen, Fistric, Rome, Dillon, Robidas) and Nemeth and Oleksiak might push someone out by the TD.

Fistric's a bit like Emelin, but he's got less upside and is more of a bottom pairing defender. Considerably cheaper, though.

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09-30-2012, 08:47 PM
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Not trying to hijack the thread or anything, but Fistric might be available depending on how things work out. We've got 7 defensemen who should be in the NHL (Goligoski, Daley, Larsen, Fistric, Rome, Dillon, Robidas) and Nemeth and Oleksiak might push someone out by the TD.

Fistric's a bit like Emelin, but he's got less upside and is more of a bottom pairing defender. Considerably cheaper, though.
Is Fistric right handed and will defend people ?

If so, Montreal is interested in acquiring him to play as Markov's d partner if Emelin doesn't work.

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Buillion for a pick if we're out and Detroit looks for grit on D an he's healthy. He's not big but brings character. I'm not sure what his value is though

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I would say Markov, Gorges, Subban, and Emelin ought not be in any trade discussion.

The defensemen Wings fans would need to pick from would be Kaberle, Weber, Diaz, Bouillon. (And frankly, I don't see how any of those guys unseats any of the top 7 incumbents the Wings would already plan on dressing).

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Issue is, I don't think you pry any major prospects out of Holland's hands.

Zetterberg and Datsyuk are getting old, Nyquist, Jurco, Jarnkrok, and Pulkkinen all have the potential to be stars. You're unlikely to get Holland to give up one just so that he can make a temporary patch on a hole.

The reality is, Detroit's defense will likely stay the way it is until either a no-rollback CBA results in teams having to dump cap, or until Ouellet and Sproul are NHL-Ready.

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When Tinordi is ready a year or two, Emelin might become expandable. Right now I don't see Bergevin moving him

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Gorges and Emelin better not go nowhere....they're Habs for lifeeee
Um, you realize that Gorges is already not a Hab for life, right? He previously played for San Jose.

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When Tinordi is ready a year or two, Emelin might become expandable. Right now I don't see Bergevin moving him
Hmm, just how much can he expand? Maybe they should put him on a diet and workout program.

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Um, you realize that Gorges is already not a Hab for life, right? He previously played for San Jose.



Hmm, just how much can he expand? Maybe they should put him on a diet and workout program.
Well hopefully he doesn't expand near the size of Byfuglien.He would need quite a tummy tuck.

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Well hopefully he doesn't expand near the size of Byfuglien.He would need quite a tummy tuck.
Or worse yet, expand to the size of *shudder* Dany Heatley's ego.

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I would be willing to trade Kaberle, Weber and Markov if we're not in the playoff picture. Gorges and Subban are keepers, no matter what. Emelin has the upside to become what we Habs fans have always dreamed of; a big, physical, 2nd pairing defenseman with a decent first pass. He's worth more to us than to other teams, which makes it stupid to trade him away in my opinion. Diaz showed some good things last season, and I rather have him than Weber in my line-up. However, his trade value is slim to none, so there's no point in trading him away if all we can get for him is spare parts. I'd keep him until Beaulieu is ready, at least.

For Kabs, I'd look for a 2nd rounder if he keeps producing at a 40+ points pace. I however don't know if the Wings own a 2nd rounder for the 2013 draft.

If Markov plays up to his standards, I'd want a legit blue-chiper coming our way and probably a 1st rounder. Not all the informed about the Wings prospects though. Nyqvist seems to be their best prospect..?

For Weber, I wouldn't move him for any less than a 3rd rounder. If we can't get that for him, might as well just keep him. He can be a useful tool on the power-play.

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For Kabs, I'd look for a 2nd rounder if he keeps producing at a 40+ points pace. I however don't know if the Wings own a 2nd rounder for the 2013 draft.
We do, but I don't think we would do that. Kaberle doesn't fill a need, esp. long-term.

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If Markov plays up to his standards, I'd want a legit blue-chiper coming our way and probably a 1st rounder. Not all the informed about the Wings prospects though. Nyqvist seems to be their best prospect..?
Smith is better but he would be more of a sideways move. Too much imo.


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For Weber, I wouldn't move him for any less than a 3rd rounder. If we can't get that for him, might as well just keep him. He can be a useful tool on the power-play.
He wouldn't fill a need, either.

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We do, but I don't think we would do that. Kaberle doesn't fill a need, esp. long-term.



Smith is better but he would be more of a sideways move. Too much imo.




He wouldn't fill a need, either.
I wouldn't consider Smith a prospect anymore, and I'm not sure the Wings are interested in moving him either. As for the too much... Markov "up to his standards" is a legit top 10 defenseman in the league. If the Wings are still serious about making the playoffs at the trade deadline, I don't think A blue-chip prospect and a first is too much, especially when you look at what guys like Paul effin' Gaustad got at the deadline last season.

Then again, if you're looking for a "long-term" move, the Habs are not a good trading partner. We would probably try to unload veterans rather than prospects.

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I don't understand where they get that MON has a lot of dmen, they might have dmen but not top 4 dmen available in a trade. Every team could use another top 4 dman.

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