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09-30-2012, 02:34 PM
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Toronto - Montreal

Kulemin to Montreal.

Reason: Plekanec needs a left winger.

Toronto, choice of: Gallagher, Bourque, Kristo, Weber or Diaz + a 2013 2nd round pick(choice of 3).

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Kulemin to Montreal.

Reason: Plekanec needs a left winger.

Toronto, choice of: Gallagher, Bourque, Kristo, Weber or Diaz + a 2013 2nd round pick(choice of 3).
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To toronto: Patches

To MTL: choice of Bozak, Connolly, Franson, Blacker + 2nd rounder

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I'll pass from the Habs side, don't need an other inconsistent forward a la Bourque who can go invisible for a whole season. We could have signed Kostitsyn for free, Kulemin is Toronto's problem to deal with. His value isn't that great either.

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To toronto: Patches

To MTL: choice of Bozak, Connolly, Franson, Blacker + 2nd rounder
Except that Pacioretty is a much more naturally skilled goalscorer. Kulemin last year could have scored 20+ goals if he didn't had those hand stone. Yeah, he scored 30+ goals in his career, but there is a load of player who did it once and never came close again.

Its pretty fair to say that Pacioretty overall is a better player Kulemin, which makes your post a little bit confusing. Gallagher is also a better prospect than Blacker.

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Except that Pacioretty is a much more naturally skilled goalscorer. Kulemin last year could have scored 20+ goals if he didn't had those hand stone. Yeah, he scored 30+ goals in his career, but there is a load of player who did it once and never came close again.

Its pretty fair to say that Pacioretty overall is a better player Kulemin, which makes your post a little bit confusing. Gallagher is also a better prospect than Blacker.
Naw, just 30. Sorry to nitpick.

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Kulemin is overrated because of one big year (which saw him post an unsustainable Sh%). Last year he only scored 7 goals, but had an abnormally low Sh%. My guess is that once the Sh% normalizes out, he'll be more of a 15-20 goal scorer.

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09-30-2012, 03:13 PM
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I'll pass from the Habs side, don't need an other inconsistent forward a la Bourque who can go invisible for a whole season. We could have signed Kostitsyn for free, Kulemin is Toronto's problem to deal with. His value isn't that great either.
Kulemin is far from a problem. A big, physical two-way player with 30 goal upside on a very cap-friendly deal....terrible problem. Even if he goes back to being a 15 G - 20 A winger, he's still extremely worth the money.

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Kulemin is overrated because of one big year (which saw him post an unsustainable Sh%). Last year he only scored 7 goals, but had an abnormally low Sh%. My guess is that once the Sh% normalizes out, he'll be more of a 15-20 goal scorer.
No kulemin is looked at the way he is because of the 30 goal season but also the way he played prior in Russia when he won the MVP in the RSL. Also Toronto is more than happy to keep Kuli unless he is part of a package to upgrade one of our gaping holes. (1A center or Starting goalie.)

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To toronto: Patches

To MTL: choice of Bozak, Connolly, Franson, Blacker + 2nd rounder
I am a leafs fan and I think that is an over reaction.

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09-30-2012, 03:25 PM
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I don't see how Kulie for Bourque is a bad deal for the leafs.

Only problem is Kulie is a pretty solid top 9 guy, and while bourque is as well, the effort is different(which sides to Kulemin) but the output is as well(which sides to Bourque).

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I don't see how Kulie for Bourque is a bad deal for the leafs.

Only problem is Kulie is a pretty solid top 9 guy, and while bourque is as well, the effort is different(which sides to Kulemin) but the output is as well(which sides to Bourque).
You don't?

Kulemin is substantially younger and less experienced than Bourque. He's proven to have great chemistry with Grabovski and for a guy with "hands of stone", he's one year removed from a "unsustainable Sh%".

Don't get me wrong, the comparison between Bourque/Kulemin isn't totally unreasonable, but it's also not something the Leafs consider... and neither is the OP that would see a highly valuable winger like Kulemin traded for what essentially amounts to bargaining chips, because none of those solve any needs for Toronto.

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I don't see how Kulie for Bourque is a bad deal for the leafs.

Only problem is Kulie is a pretty solid top 9 guy, and while bourque is as well, the effort is different(which sides to Kulemin) but the output is as well(which sides to Bourque).
Kulie is $1.2 million cheaper, 5 years younger as well.

Think last season was an anomaly for Kulemin, his average shots per game and shooting percentage both declined to a good degree. He will at least be a relatively cheap, good top 9 winger for Toronto, and not an overpaid top 9 forward like Bourque who shows up every other game or so.

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Bourque may have better offensive production, but Toronto isn't lacking that. We have tons of players who can score, what we lack is players who can prevent goals. Kulemin is probably our best forward at preventing goals and as an added bonus he is alright offensively at the same time. Kulemin's combination of size, skill and defensive play makes him a player that Toronto shouldn't be moving unless he is apart of a package for a clear upgrade of a player. Bourque is not that in my opinion.

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Kulemin is overrated because of one big year (which saw him post an unsustainable Sh%). Last year he only scored 7 goals, but had an abnormally low Sh%. My guess is that once the Sh% normalizes out, he'll be more of a 15-20 goal scorer.
11-12 - 6.5%
10-11 - 17.3%
09-10 - 11.0%
08-09 - 11.6%

His first two years he was shooting 11%, then went up 6% from his avg two years ago and when down 5% from his avg last year.

He's probably a 15 goal guy.

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Kulie is $1.2 million cheaper, 5 years younger as well.

Think last season was an anomaly for Kulemin, his average shots per game and shooting percentage both declined to a good degree. He will at least be a relatively cheap, good top 9 winger for Toronto, and not an overpaid top 9 forward like Bourque who shows up every other game or so.
I wonder how much the plane crash of the Lokomotiv KHL team effected his play last season, because I have seen others mention that could have been a reason why he didn't produce as much compared to the 2010-2011 season.

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To toronto: Patches

To MTL: choice of Bozak, Connolly, Franson, Blacker + 2nd rounder
Patches >>>>>>> Kulemin

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Patches >>>>>>> Kulemin
Why are you stating the obvious?

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Hell no from the Leafs.

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Patches >>>>>>> Kulemin
I love how the same people saying Kulemin is a one-year wonder counter with another one-year wonder.

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Hell no from the Leafs.


Yeah, no.

I love how the same people saying Kulemin is a one-year wonder counter with another one-year wonder.
How is patches a one year wonder? He was on pace to score 30 with gomez as his C before chara hurt him. Nice try

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Hell no from the Leafs.


I love how the same people saying Kulemin is a one-year wonder counter with another one-year wonder.
Pacioretty actually broke out two seasons ago when he was on pace for 30 and running a train over Boston and we all know what happened. Comparing him to Kulemin is an insult.

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How is patches a one year wonder? He was on pace to score 30 with gomez as his C before chara hurt him. Nice try
He did not miss hitting 30 because he got hurt. He got injured in March. He did not get 30 because he wasn't good enough to be in the NHL for the first half of the year.

Nice try.

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He did not miss hitting 30 because he got hurt. He got injured in March. He did not get 30 because he wasn't good enough to be in the NHL for the first half of the year.

Nice try.
It was his choice to start in the AHL.

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It was his choice to start in the AHL.
Because he couldn't crack a terrible Montreal top-6.

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