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10-01-2012, 09:43 PM
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Pominville for Callahan.

Boom.
Easy no from Buffalo, I would think.

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10-01-2012, 09:51 PM
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Easy no from Buffalo, I would think.
Perhaps.

They get hometown guy though and brings grit to their forward corps. Nice player to compliment Hodgson or Ennis.

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10-01-2012, 11:56 PM
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Kassian + 1st for Vanek?

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10-02-2012, 12:40 AM
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You want someone with grit. Bourque is a 30g,60pt man if playing well. Plus a very good PKer
He's never hit 30 goals, or 60 points, had the highest shorthanded GA/60 of any regular PKer on the Habs or the Flames, and his version of "grit" seems to be head hunting.

But yeah, otherwise, right on.

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10-02-2012, 02:20 AM
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Vanek to Vancouver, just so he can be shipped out like all other talented German speaking players we've had recently.

Grabner - Gone via trade
Ehrhoff - Gone via free agency, his rights for a 4th
Sturm - signed and traded
Vanek - well let's see

For real though, what would the prices be for Vanek or Pomenville?

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10-02-2012, 08:39 AM
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Kassian + 1st for Vanek?
There is a part of me that wants to accept this. Buffalo is not in rebuild mode, but I think we all know that building for 2 or 3 years down the road might be in our best interest. That said, we'd be hurting for goals.

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10-02-2012, 09:12 AM
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Kassian + 1st for Vanek?
No, would love to have Kassian back, but I'm expecting the Canucks to be at the top of the standings if we have a season, that 1st will be basically a high 2nd. Our most dangerous forward for a prospect and a first is not good asset management. I'm sure that Canucks fans would be hesitant to do this as well.

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Pominville for Callahan.

Boom.
I'm torn on this, I love what Callahan brings, it's basically a question of whether you want more scoring or you want more grit.

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10-02-2012, 09:25 AM
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Kassian + 1st for Vanek?
A top winger who gets 14-15 minutes a game. With low minutes, he produces 65-70 points a season. It would be safe to assume if he played 20+ minutes a night, he may very well get 80-85 points a season, maybe more.

And Kassian and a 1st is the offer?

Give to get. Don't give, don't get.



Getting Pominville would be a healthy overpayment for any team. Getting Stafford would probably be the "cheapest" in terms of assets given up for him.

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A top winger who gets 14-15 minutes a game. With low minutes, he produces 65-70 points a season. It would be safe to assume if he played 20+ minutes a night, he may very well get 80-85 points a season, maybe more.

And Kassian and a 1st is the offer?

Give to get. Don't give, don't get.

Getting Pominville would be a healthy overpayment for any team. Getting Stafford would probably be the "cheapest" in terms of assets given up for him.
This post is entirely disingenuous. Vanek has averaged 63 pts/season over the last 5 year's, so saying he is a 65-70 point winger is a stretch. In fact, he's only hit 65 once in those 5 years, when he got 73. He's also averaged about 17 min/game during that stretch, so you are really going out if your way to stretch the truth. Vanek has never been the best conditioned athlete, so his TOI reflects that. If they pushed him, it would hurt more than help. Don't make him out to be something he's not.


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10-02-2012, 10:23 AM
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Because he's the most overrated coach in NHL history.
You do know that hes currently the longest active coach with one team right?

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10-02-2012, 10:24 AM
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This post is entirely disingenuous. Vanek has averaged 63 pts/season over the last 5 year's, so saying he is a 65-70 point winger is a stretch. In fact, he's only hit 65 once in those 5 years, when he got 73. He's also averaged about 17 min/game during that stretch, so you are really going out if your way to stretch the truth. Vanek has never been the best conditioned athlete, so his TOI reflects that. If they pushed him, it would hurt more than help. Don't make him out to be something he's not.
Boy, I wish this was correct

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Boy, I wish this was correct
What about it isn't?

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10-02-2012, 10:34 AM
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Pominville for Callahan.

Boom.
i dont think that the rangers would do that actually, they already have gaborik and nash for the pure offense

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10-02-2012, 10:39 AM
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Easy no from Buffalo, I would think.
While I don't think it's a "bad" swap for either team, I don't think the Rangers would do it.

As a Buffalo fan and Pominville supporter, I'd be all for it.

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10-02-2012, 10:44 AM
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You do know that hes currently the longest active coach with one team right?
You know that that team has zero championships to its name and has missed the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years, right?

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10-02-2012, 10:58 AM
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What would Vanek or Stafford realistically cost?

I don't really think NJ and BUF are good trading partners; Im just curious.
Buffalo liked Josefson in his draft year, so they may inquire about him. I've soured a bit on Josefson, and it looks like he's struggled staying healthy so far. He's only 21, so there's still a lot of room for improvement, but I don't know what other pieces Regier would ask for.

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What would Buffalo want for Stafford?
Probably one of Gaunce/Jensen + something else.

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Kassian + 1st for Vanek?
The ship has sailed on Zack in Buffalo. I don't think Regier and Ruff were particularly fond of Kassian.

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10-02-2012, 11:16 AM
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How about Brouwer + for Stafford? Kind of a scaled down version for the Pominville for Callahan trade.

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10-02-2012, 11:29 AM
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i dont think that the rangers would do that actually, they already have gaborik and nash for the pure offense
Not sure if you know who Pominville is or....

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10-02-2012, 02:30 PM
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Best one out of the three is Pommer,pretty sure buffalo wont be moving him, great player

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10-02-2012, 02:43 PM
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I love Pominville but if Im offered Callahan for him id stop in my tracks and have to think real deep on that one.

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10-02-2012, 04:24 PM
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I love Pominville but if Im offered Callahan for him id stop in my tracks and have to think real deep on that one.
Pretty much even players

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10-02-2012, 04:56 PM
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I love Pominville but if Im offered Callahan for him id stop in my tracks and have to think real deep on that one.
Ehh...I don't think it should be that hard of a decision. Both are good defensive players, both captains, both play all situations. Differences? Callahan hits more, Pominville will likely outscore him by 15-20 points every year, and Pominville's track record for playoff production is better. (Callahan's best season to date is only one point better than Pominville's worst.)
I'd keep Pommer 10 times out of 10 unless NYR added something.

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10-02-2012, 05:00 PM
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Ehh...I don't think it should be that hard of a decision. Both are good defensive players, both captains, both play all situations. Differences? Callahan hits more, Pominville will likely outscore him by 15-20 points every year, and Pominville's track record for playoff production is better. (Callahan's best season to date is only one point better than Pominville's worst.)
I'd keep Pommer 10 times out of 10 unless NYR added something.
Other than their grittiness and scoring abilities, they are pretty similar. I think Pominville is an underrated captain, he's shown to be pretty clutch for us and is a staple in all situations. I remember some puck daddy article that was posted and he was top 5 in clutch situations or something like that. It basically comes down the points/grittiness, do you value the extra points that Pominville will provide or the tenaciousness of Callahan? Tough decision. I would love Callahan on the Sabres though, if we had both I would be ecstatic.

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My projection on the three wingers will be:

Vanek: will stay on the team through the end of his contract to support hodgson or grigorenko. He may be traded next offseason if Armia is deemed ready for the NHL. Maybe a Dman in return to replace Leopold or Regehr.

Stafford: He still has rope left due to his stomachable cap hit and age.

Pominville: Not going anywhere, but I dont like him having the C.

Wingers in likelihood of being traded:

1. Gerbe.
2. Leino
3. Vanek

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Ehh...I don't think it should be that hard of a decision. Both are good defensive players, both captains, both play all situations. Differences? Callahan hits more, Pominville will likely outscore him by 15-20 points every year, and Pominville's track record for playoff production is better. (Callahan's best season to date is only one point better than Pominville's worst.)
I'd keep Pommer 10 times out of 10 unless NYR added something.
You're looking at a culture change here...Poms for Cally....I feel ennis,foligno,stafford,grigs,vanek, a resurgent offense can make up the difference....but not without a coaching change....

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