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10-03-2012, 09:34 PM
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By all means, as a fan of the Canucks, keep a disgruntled player sitting on the bench and in the dressing room for an extra third or fourth round pick. Situations such as this have been known to tear dressing rooms apart in the past.
Fine by us. Seeing as we know our team better than you do, we would know if that were actually a problem.

Luongo and Schneider get along excellently, and both Luongo and Gillis have said they're both willing to start with Luongo on the team. I'd expect a 50-50 split to minimize fatigue, and unless someone is willing to pay fair value for either, they won't be moving.

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10-03-2012, 09:38 PM
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Oh so they can get him so in 6 years they can pay him nothing... They aren't going to make a move so in 6 years his cap hit will help out. He's making more than his cap hit for the next 6 seasons.
I'm only saying that if he were traded to Toronto, there are lots of options available- have him retire, if that's not an option, bury it in the minors, and if that's not an option, trade him to a cap floor team. Heck, Toronto's rich enough to buy him out if they wanted to.

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It's just speculation at this point that only Florida is involved. And also, the Canucks are quite comfortable starting the season with both Schneider and Luongo. It has already been stated by both sides.
Actually the teams speculated to currently be involved are:
Florida
TO - Burke and Gillis have continued to talk
Edmonton - supposedly have the best offer, but it is unkonw.

Teams that have talked to us that we know of:
SJ
Chicago
Tbay
Columus.

Again there could be more, but that is what has been speculated by people in the know more than me. So you know, real insiders like Lebrun, Bobby Mac, Dregger and so on.

The last two pages of this have been pretty funny.

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The NHL is trying to make those deals count against the cap even if the player retires.

If that happens, no one will take Luongo.
You are about as wrong as possible. If Luongo retires his contract is a license to print money. Cha-ching. For a team that wants to be below the cap floor - Luongo's contract gives them a cap floor that is 5.3m below everyone elses. You could grab 3 of these types of contracts while going into a deep rebuild - imagine being about to run a $40m payroll around some kids instead of $54m. Wang would wet his pants.

You go from a cap ceiling circumvention contract to a cap floor circumvention contract.

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10-03-2012, 09:43 PM
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You are about as wrong as possible. If Luongo retires his contract is a license to print money. Cha-ching. For a team that wants to be below the cap floor - Luongo's contract gives them a cap floor that is 5.3m below everyone elses. You could grab 3 of these types of contracts while going into a deep rebuild - imagine being about to run a $40m payroll around some kids instead of $54m. Wang would wet his pants.

You go from a cap ceiling circumvention contract to a cap floor circumvention contract.
So it's ok to trade him in 2018 then? Luongo and Schneider are ok with that?

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So it's ok to trade him in 2018 then? Luongo and Schneider are ok with that?
Why would Schneider care unless he's GMing by then?

Why would Luongo give a flying **** in a sandstorm what you did with his cap hit after he's retired.

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..what if there is no longer a cap floor and it doesn't come off when he retires?

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So it's ok to trade him in 2018 then? Luongo and Schneider are ok with that?
No, but for any team looking to acquire Luongo now that is worried about him retiring in the future and counting against their cap can look to that as a solution to that issue.

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Oh so they can get him so in 6 years they can pay him nothing... They aren't going to make a move so in 6 years his cap hit will help out. He's making more than his cap hit for the next 6 seasons.
Really?

What's stopping a team from, in 6 years, trading Luongo to a team like Florida?

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..what if there is no longer a cap floor and it doesn't come off when he retires?
It'll be a cold day in hell before the NHLPA allows the NHL to abolish the cap floor.

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So it's ok to trade him in 2018 then? Luongo and Schneider are ok with that?
Because a top goalie for a 5.33 cap hit is absurd.

Stop acting like he is a bum, Vancouver would be very pleased to stick with him if they didn't have a better option right behind him.

Few teams can say they wouldn't trade their starter right now with how Schneider has played. But keep acting like Luongo is a bum. Not like an elite team like yours would need another teams junk.

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..what if there is no longer a cap floor and it doesn't come off when he retires?
At some point there are so many what ifs it becomes ridiculous to entertain them.

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..what if there is no longer a cap floor and it doesn't come off when he retires?
There probably be no ceiling either and its moot.

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10-03-2012, 09:53 PM
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Because a top goalie for a 5.33 cap hit is absurd.

Stop acting like he is a bum, Vancouver would be very pleased to stick with him if they didn't have a better option right behind him.

Few teams can say they wouldn't trade their starter right now with how Schneider has played. But keep acting like Luongo is a bum. Not like an elite team like yours would need another teams junk.
I've actually called Luongo a franchise goalie. I'm a big fan. His contract+ the fact very few teams need a goalie sinks his value.

And you can't mention the "Cheap" cap hit of 5.3 million without mentioining it's that low because he's on the books until he's 43. It better be low with that.

His cap hit will be great for a team looking to hit the cap floor in 2018. No one cares or thinks about it. We may be into the next CBA after the next one is signed by then. Who knows what the cap will be.

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10-03-2012, 09:54 PM
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Really?

What's stopping a team from, in 6 years, trading Luongo to a team like Florida?
You have to worry about trading him now first. His salary is higher than his cap hit for the next 6 years.

No one is going to take that contract and not worry because in 6 years...

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I've actually called Luongo a franchise goalie. I'm a big fan. His contract+ the fact very few teams need a goalie sinks his value.

And you can't mention the "Cheap" cap hit of 5.3 million without mentioining it's that low because he's on the books until he's 43. It better be low with that.

His cap hit will be great for a team looking to hit the cap floor in 2018. No one cares or thinks about it. We may be into the next CBA after the next one is signed by then. Who knows what the cap will be.
Exactly, so why worry about it? The Canucks certainly haven't been winning because they've avoided taking risks. The Canucks haven't been winning because they've used other goalies than Luongo in net for the majority of the past few years. And the Canucks certainly didn't get 1 game away from the Stanley Cup with Luongo in net. Oh wait, maybe they did.

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You have to worry about trading him now first. His salary is higher than his cap hit for the next 6 years.

No one is going to take that contract and not worry because in 6 years...
What are you talking about? To a rich team like Toronto, the $6.7M cash expenditure is nothing, especially when you consider the owners would most likely be experiencing something that they haven't since the lockout: playoff revenue.

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I've actually called Luongo a franchise goalie. I'm a big fan. His contract+ the fact very few teams need a goalie sinks his value.

And you can't mention the "Cheap" cap hit of 5.3 million without mentioining it's that low because he's on the books until he's 43. It better be low with that.

His cap hit will be great for a team looking to hit the cap floor in 2018. No one cares or thinks about it. We may be into the next CBA after the next one is signed by then. Who knows what the cap will be.
Regardless of the offer, every single one is below his actual value. Well below.

And thats expected, but when you tell me that you wouldn't part with Kadri for him, then I don't know what to say.

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How is this discussion still going?

- Vancouver fans claim they are fine keeping him
- The few other teams kicking tires claim they do not want to pay an absurd price in a deal for a decade long contract

Problem solved: Vancouver, you can enjoy Luongo for the next decade he is signed towards. Everyone else.. move along.

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How is this discussion still going?

- Vancouver fans claim they are fine keeping him
- The few other teams kicking tires claim they do not want to pay an absurd price in a deal for a decade long contract

Problem solved: Vancouver, you can enjoy Luongo for the next decade he is signed towards. Everyone else.. move along.
As if it will hurt them. Vancouver has been successful recently, how about the Leafs?

Vancouver can easily stay with Luongo, and trade Schneider for a ransom after letting him prove himself to those left out there unconvinced. Then when Luongo slows down, we have Lack. Vancouver isn't the team in need here, but okay.

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How is this discussion still going?

- Vancouver fans claim they are fine keeping him
- The few other teams kicking tires claim they do not want to pay an absurd price in a deal for a decade long contract

Problem solved: Vancouver, you can enjoy Luongo for the next decade he is signed towards. Everyone else.. move along.
Maybe because the majority of people do not considering a deal structured around Kadri to be absurd. Are you honestly of the opinion that Kadri for Luongo qualifies as an absurd price?

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How is this discussion still going?

- Vancouver fans claim they are fine keeping him
- The few other teams kicking tires claim they do not want to pay an absurd price in a deal for a decade long contract

Problem solved: Vancouver, you can enjoy Luongo for the next decade he is signed towards. Everyone else.. move along.
Okay by me.

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Maybe because the majority of people do not considering a deal structured around Kadri to be absurd. Are you honestly of the opinion that Kadri for Luongo qualifies as an absurd price?
We think it's absurd, he thinks it's absurd. Nothing more to talk about.

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Kadri for Luongo is absurd, to be fair. There's no way I'd ever consider that from the Canucks POV.

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How is this discussion still going?

- Vancouver fans claim they are fine keeping him
- The few other teams kicking tires claim they do not want to pay an absurd price in a deal for a decade long contract

Problem solved: Vancouver, you can enjoy Luongo for the next decade he is signed towards. Everyone else.. move along.
Seems reasonable except some fans realize their teams coud desperately use Luongo but just don't want to pay the price.

If the Canucks keep both they likely win their division and are a Cup contenders... as a Canuck fan, I'm cool with that.

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