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If the flyers were to get the 1st overall pick after a yearlong lockout..

View Poll Results: What would you rather do?
Draft MacKinnon 28 44.44%
Draft Jones 27 42.86%
Trade down 8 12.70%
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10-03-2012, 07:28 PM
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It comes down to winning for me. In a very top heavy talented draft, a player that could improve our chances over the long term might put us closer to winning than a season where we are unlikely to win it all.... not to mention the other benefits a lockout has for our young players and their progression.

It's a fantasy question, so just go with it.
So why wasn't Schenn in the A last year and Couturier in the Q? Because playing in the NHL is most beneficial to their development.

I would never root for a lost season, because I am a hockey fan, who enjoys watching hockey. Nothing out of that could, might and unlikely group, is enough to sacrifice an NHL season of your favorite team.

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10-03-2012, 08:41 PM
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The Flyers would most likely take MacKinnon because they usually take the offensive prospect over the defensive prospect. Plus, you draft BPA (so unless the BPA changes). That's if they keep the pick of course.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that (though I wouldn't be surprised). Don't want another lost season.

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10-03-2012, 09:37 PM
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Jones AINEC.

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10-03-2012, 10:08 PM
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I said jones, but really we should get mackinnon. He will be special. That makes Schenn and Schenn the odd men out.

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10-03-2012, 10:11 PM
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trade down.
not that i dont like MacKinnon or Jones, I do but if you have a chace to trade down and get some more picks we would have to do it. There would be some team out there desperate enough to overpay so the Flyers could fill some holes. You would likely get a lottery pick in return along with other picks.
Its all a moot point anyway. not going to happen

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10-03-2012, 11:50 PM
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I'd say get Jones, but if Nate really is that awesome this year and is a CLEAR #1, then I would say trade down and get a king's ransom for him and then get Seth.

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10-04-2012, 12:38 AM
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You have to take MacKinnon.

MacKinnon - Giroux
Schenn - Couturier

Who is center?
Who is wing?
I don't care.
It's unstoppable.


Anyway, it's not going to happen.

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10-04-2012, 12:42 AM
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You have to take MacKinnon.

MacKinnon - Giroux
Schenn - Couturier

Who is center?
Who is wing?
I don't care.
It's unstoppable.


Anyway, it's not going to happen.
With the odds? No, not really. But don't be a negative nancy about it . It gets me a bit excited, even if they may not even be hockey that year LOL.

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10-04-2012, 01:05 AM
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I'm shocked by this poll, have ppl seen MacKinnon play? Kid is the next Crosby/Stamkos IMO

Better than yakupov or RNH or hall

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10-04-2012, 07:54 AM
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When you pick early, especially number 1 overall, you are seriously doing a huge disservice to your franchise not taking the best player available. Right now, that's certainly MacKinnon, but who knows if it still will be after the season.

That said, imagine we were given the same opportunity back in 2005. Would people really have passed on Sidney Crosby (consensus BPA) to select Jack Johnson (Need - top-rated defenseman, 3rd BPA)? I'd be sick if we did that.

Honestly, the only option besides the BPA is trading the pick for a Weber, Doughty, etc type defenseman in their prime.

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10-04-2012, 08:17 AM
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You have to take MacKinnon.

MacKinnon - Giroux
Schenn - Couturier

Who is center?
Who is wing?
I don't care.
It's unstoppable.


Anyway, it's not going to happen.
I seem to remember people saying the same thing about...

Giroux - Briere
Carter - Richards

Who is center?
Who is wing?
I don't care.
It's unstoppable

To answer your quesion, I'd go for Jones, which would hopefully involve a trade down to #2 with that team giving us something in order for them to take Mackinnon

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10-04-2012, 08:49 AM
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Ok, fun thought...

Fill in the blank here.

"I would root for a lost season if I knew the Flyers were getting a top __ pick"
2.

I still wouldn't root for a lost season, but it would be nice knowing we'd get Mackinnon or Jones and that would soothe the pain.

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10-04-2012, 09:26 AM
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MacKinnon. You always take the best player with the first pick. It's always been a mistake when a defender has been taking with the first pick.

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10-04-2012, 12:23 PM
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I'm shocked by this poll, have ppl seen MacKinnon play? Kid is the next Crosby/Stamkos IMO

Better than yakupov or RNH or hall
I admit i havent seen Mackinnon or Jones play. Just going by what I would consiter given the state of our prospect depth.


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10-04-2012, 12:27 PM
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That said, imagine we were given the same opportunity back in 2005. Would people really have passed on Sidney Crosby (consensus BPA) to select Jack Johnson (Need - top-rated defenseman, 3rd BPA)? I'd be sick if we did that.
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Except MacKinnon isn't Crosby, and Jones isn't Johnson.

At worst, 2008 would seem a better comparable--Stamkos vs. Doughty--but at this point is their respective careers, doesn't Jones have a much higher ceiling than DD did at the time?

I've read Pronger-lite comparisons in terms of his physical tools--though I'll be the first to admit that I'm not in a position to make that call.

If MacKinnon is clearly a generational talent, and Jones is just a nice looking defensive prospect, then obviously you take MacKinnon. My sense, though, was that the gap between the two was not nearly that pronounced--something more like Larsson vs. RNH at the start of their season.


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10-04-2012, 04:04 PM
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I seem to remember people saying the same thing about...

Giroux - Briere
Carter - Richards

Who is center?
Who is wing?
I don't care.
It's unstoppable
To be fair we did make it to the Final with those four on offense.


To echo what many have said, we would have to take the best player. If that means taking Mackinnon then we do it. It's not a bad problem to have too many good players.

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10-04-2012, 04:17 PM
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Draft MacKinnon.

Call Nashville.

Discuss Shea.

Win either way.

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10-04-2012, 04:22 PM
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Draft MacKinnon.

Call Nashville.

Discuss Shea.

Win either way.
That is definitely an interesting idea. Also, I think Nashville would LOVE that kind of offense from Nate.

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Food for thought: if we had the first pick, would you want the Flyers to take MacKinnon and then shop him for Weber/Pietrangelo?

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Draft MacKinnon.

Call Nashville.

Discuss Shea.

Win either way.
Missed a step, Offer sheet MacKinnon in however many years.

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Missed a step, Offer sheet MacKinnon in however many years.
And you missed a few steps

Lockout

Win lottery

Draft x

trade for mackinnon

offersheet x

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10-04-2012, 07:37 PM
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So what you're saying is the Penguins will get the #1 pick.

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Except MacKinnon isn't Crosby, and Jones isn't Johnson.

At worst, 2008 would seem a better comparable--Stamkos vs. Doughty--but at this point is their respective careers, doesn't Jones have a much higher ceiling than DD did at the time?

I've read Pronger-lite comparisons in terms of his physical tools--though I'll be the first to admit that I'm not in a position to make that call.

If MacKinnon is clearly a generational talent, and Jones is just a nice looking defensive prospect, then obviously you take MacKinnon. My sense, though, was that the gap between the two was not nearly that pronounced--something more like Larsson vs. RNH at the start of their season.
I've seen MacKinnon play several times and admittedly seen Jones only once. Hard to say on comparisons. You need to remember that at this stage, Couturier was was still considered the consensus BPA relative to RNH. Crosby had a little bit more allure than MacKinnon did, but MacKinnon definitely has had that long term follow more akin to Crosby/Stamkos than RNH. How that translates is anyone's guess.

I guess right now, I just see a bit more of the "it" factor... generational potential, etc... in MacKinnon. As I have stated numerous times, this could all change between now and the draft.

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10-04-2012, 07:59 PM
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There won't be movement on who is the BPA until the WJC's. It will be interesting to watch unfold, because last time everyone knew Crosby was going #1 no matter who got the pick

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i love the idea

call nashville. price, weber. if they say no, find a suitor for #2, with the condition, they do not take jones. then for our agreed price, take what we can get, nab jones @2.

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