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10-04-2012, 10:19 AM
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Aleksander Barkov

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=50044

This is a player i would be really happy to be pickin up in next years draft!

He is eligible for the first time next year and has already 12 points and 7! goals in 8 games.. (In SM-Liiga!)

This is most likely to be a top 5 pick imo.

Any thoughts?

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10-04-2012, 10:46 AM
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Impressive so far. Lets see if he plateaus off and stays at a pt./gm. or more pace or if he goes back down to where he was in years past. A little early for me to go tossing him into top 5 in 2013 draft. But at 17, he is definitely on the radar and will be put under the microscope for the entire year.

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10-04-2012, 11:03 AM
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Only chance we'd have would be if the lockout went the entire season and then we got a little lucky with the draft lottery.

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10-04-2012, 11:08 AM
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Only chance we'd have would be if the lockout went the entire season and then we got a little lucky with the draft lottery.
Which wouldn't be too farfetched. I wouldn't be surpriseda bit if we got top 10. Obviously, a little if we were top 5 or higher.

Honestly, I don't know whether we'd go for another elite forward talent or shore up the defense. I guess it depends on too many things.



On Barkov, what has failed to be mentioned is that he already has an NHL body. TSN has him listed at 6 foot 2 inches and 205 pounds. Thats pretty set already, undoubtedly he will gain more throughout his career.

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Check this out regarding our position for 2013 draft if season is canceled.

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since a lot of people think that the way it would be weighted in the case of a lockout may be a little unfair, perhaps give less balls to teams like pittsburgh for being very good and a team like the oilers because of all the 1st overalls, for fun, i decided to make my own weighting scale. it would take forever to see how many balls every team would have and then punch it in on the draft website, but if anyone would like to see how many balls they'd have with my scale please post it, i'd love to see if it ended up being more on the fair side: first calculate how many points on average your team has earned in the last 5 years to determine how many balls they begin with...

60-69pts = 4 balls
70-79pts = 3 balls
80-89pts = 2 balls
90-99+pts = 1 ball
this will determine where you start off at.

add additional balls if you fit the following:
if youve missed the playoffs 3 times in the last 5 years, add 1 ball
if youve missed the playoffs 4 times in the last 5 years, add 2 balls
if youve missed the playoffs 5 times in the last 5 years, add 3 balls

after that, we'll subtract balls if you fit the following:
however many times a team has had a 1st overall in the last 5 years, they lose that many balls (ex. oilers lose 3)
any team that has made the playoffs 3+ times in the last 5 years loses 1 ball
any team that has won the stanley cup in the last 5 years loses 2 balls

this will give you your final ball count. the lowest you can have is 1 (ex. if your down to 2 balls and youve won the stanley cup in the past 5 years or any of the other ways to lose balls, you go down to 1, not 0).

panthers would have 4 balls with this system. started off w/ 2, received an additional 2 for missing the playoffs 4 times in past 5 seasons, lost none.

Based on other threads I have been checking out, we would get 4 balls based on above system math done below.


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I opted to just figure it for everybody, since I just happened to have points percentage charts already open for unrelated reasons.



Results so far:
3 balls - Columbus, Edmonton, Long Island, Winnipeg
2 balls - Carolina, Colorado, Florida, LA, Minnesota, Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Toronto
1 ball - Everyone else.



3 balls added to Edmonton, Long Island, Toronto, Winnipeg.
2 balls added to Columbus, Dallas, Florida, Minnesota, Tampa Bay
1 ball added to Buffalo, Calgary, Carolina, Colorado, St. Louis
All else lose 1 ball per the rules below.*



1st overall picks: Long Island, Tampa Bay, Edmonton (x3).
3+ playoff appearances: see above.
Stanley Cups: Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Boston, LA.



Based on this system...
6 balls (9.1% chance of 1st overall): Winnipeg
5 balls (7.5%): Columbus, Long Island, Toronto
4 balls (6.1%): Florida, Minnesota
3 balls (4.5%): Carolina, Colorado, Dallas, Tampa Bay, Edmonton
2 balls (3%): Buffalo, Calgary, St. Louis
1 ball (1.5%): Ottawa
"0 balls" (actually 1): Anaheim, Montreal, Nashville, New Jersey, New York (owned by CBJ), Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver, Washington.
"-1 balls" (actually 1): Los Angeles (owned by CBJ)
"-2 balls" (actually 1): Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh
GRAND TOTAL: 66 balls.

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10-04-2012, 11:22 AM
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Those are peoples own formulas. If this was the same as the last lockout it will be max. 3 balls.

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Those are peoples own formulas. If this was the same as the last lockout it will be max. 3 balls.
Well that sucks...

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I'm for it if it gets Minnesota more balls.

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Not expecting us to win it but a top 5 pick would be awesome.

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Another fin to keep an eye on is radmus ristolinen (sp) he is a 6'02 dman eligible for the draft

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Barkov reminds me of JVR a bit. Great size, great at scoring goals at this point in their careers... But I'd rather take one of MacKinnon, Jones, Monahan, Shinkaruk, Nichushkin, or Pulock over Barkov at this point. Could change, though. Not set-in-stone against him or anything.. I just don't see anything special that lots of others are seeing.

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He's got the size and the skill but he lacks speed and explosiveness. I've followed him close this season and he looks good for a 17 year-old kid in SM-liiga. I'd say he's a top3 pick if he avoids injuries.

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Barkov reminds me of JVR a bit. Great size, great at scoring goals at this point in their careers... But I'd rather take one of MacKinnon, Jones, Monahan, Shinkaruk, Nichushkin, or Pulock over Barkov at this point. Could change, though. Not set-in-stone against him or anything.. I just don't see anything special that lots of others are seeing.
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I think he gon' be a player. Probably won't touch him because he's Russian.. But his hands, shot and skating are slick.

Here's a decent highlight video of him:


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I'll take an NHL-ready Barkov over a lanky Valeri any day.

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Tomorrow going to see Barkov playing live first time this season, when his team Tappara is hosting Jokerit (featuring V. Filppula and Erik Karlsson). Hopefully he'll put up some points again...

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Another fin to keep an eye on is radmus ristolinen (sp) he is a 6'02 dman eligible for the draft
That misspelling was glorious It's Rasmus Ristolainen

But then again, if you'd ask me to spell a Czech/Slovakian/Russian name, the result would be similar.

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A little early for me to go tossing him into top 5 in 2013 draft.
Something dramatic has to happen if he falls out of top 5. He's quite firmly at 3rd place right now, that said knowing this'll be a very deep draft year...

Barkov is a huge humanbeing, an elite playmaker who'll be able to score too. I like how most of his goals come from the dirty areas. Some say he's got almost datsyukian hands... While that's a bit too much to say, it tells you something about his offensive abilities. Some say that he could be the first Finnish player to be drafted first overall. If he keeps scoring the way(well, I doubt he can) he is right now, that'll be the case.

For his age, he's excellent defensively as well. It's really hard to compare him to any current NHLer but he reminds me a bit of Joe Thornton. Even Mikko Koivu comes to mind when I think of some aspects of his game.

...and did I say that he's a huge humanbeing?


The guy on the right is a former nhler Ville Nieminen, who isn't the smallest guy either.

If they don't play this season... Well, he's not going to be picked by Minnesota.

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Koivu,Granlund,Barkov,Brodziak too much

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I'm for it if it gets Minnesota more balls.
What are you trying to say?

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I'll take an NHL-ready Barkov over a lanky Valeri any day.
Would you trade Brodin for Strome or Zibanejad?

Obviously not the same players, but NHL-readiness isn't one of my top factors for drafting players high in the first round.

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If we draft him, he'll turn into James Sheppard 2.0. Book on it.

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If we draft him, he'll turn into James Sheppard 2.0. Book on it.
No, nooo. That's Joel Armia. Or maybe Armia is Ville Leino 2.0

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What are you trying to say?



Would you trade Brodin for Strome or Zibanejad?

Obviously not the same players, but NHL-readiness isn't one of my top factors for drafting players high in the first round.
Obviously Brodin, since hes my favorite prospect.

I suppose. But considering I haven't seen Valeri Can'tspellhislastname in many or any top pre-season top 10 lists I'll stick with Barkov for now.

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If we draft him, he'll turn into James Sheppard 2.0. Book on it.
Save the BuzzKillington bit for Wildhockeyfan.

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Obviously Brodin, since hes my favorite prospect.

I suppose. But considering I haven't seen Valeri Can'tspellhislastname...
Easier to say than spell. Ha.

"Nick-oosh-kin"

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