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10-04-2012, 11:30 AM
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About the only thing that I can say in Pavelec's defense is that for goalies, it's often the case that going to a lower calibre of play can be a shock to your system. Shots are coming in just a bit slower and the action isn't moving quite as fast, and your timing gets thrown off as a result.

That being said, this isn't exactly a positive development. Hope he gets it turned around, because those are some pretty embarrassing numbers.
Maybe the Jets should have gone hard for the monster. I've read a couple of articles that said the Jets were a play-off team but the goal-tending let us down. Are we (fans) in Winnipeg fooled thinking Pavs is actually not as good as we think?


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I think I heard that the team that Enstrom wants to join is waiting to see who else becomes available before signing him. That's got to be a blow to his ego.

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10-04-2012, 12:51 PM
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I think I heard that the team that Enstrom wants to join is waiting to see who else becomes available before signing him. That's got to be a blow to his ego.
The Enstrom reason is because, even though the rule about not signing NA players was overturned, the owners are still following it in the SEL. They are all watching each other and waiting to see the moves the others play.
Over at arctic ice hockey, there's a bunch of articles about it since they have been following it closely with the help of a few Swedish sports fans/writers.

Link for those interested:
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...el-nhl-lockout


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Ladd off to Switzerland. I'm starting to think there will be no hockey in Winnipeg this year

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10-04-2012, 01:14 PM
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Maybe the Jets should have gone hard for the monster. I've read a couple of articles that said the Jets were a play-off team but the goal-tending let us down. Are we (fans) in Winnipeg fooled thinking Pavs is actually not as good as we think?
there has been a fair bit of statistical "evidence" to prove that, yes, Pavs wasn't really the savior many fans think he is.

Disclaimer: i have placed the word evidence in quotations to denote YMMV- we won't all weigh stats the same.

I do think pavs is "as good" as fans think based on potential, i believe he CAN be a fantastic, game changing goalie, but that is where most of his value currently comes from. I'm no advocate for trading him but i would argue he "looked" better then he was, he made a lot of big saves, but IMO over the course of a season it's more about the big saves you didn't have to make as opposed to the ones you did.

again, YMMV

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Ladd off to Switzerland. I'm starting to think there will be no hockey in Winnipeg this year
Um...Avangard Omsk is not in Switzerland. Omsk is in Asia (just north of eastern Kazakhstan). It's closer for Winnipeggers to go to South America, then it is to get from Omsk to Swizterland (straight distance).

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Sorry Holden, Swiss league.

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Sorry Holden, Swiss league.
No, the KHL. Not at all in the Swiss league. Not sure where your getting this Swizterland idea?

Swizterland has resisted expansion from KHL.

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No, the KHL. Not at all in the Swiss league. Not sure where your getting this Swizterland idea?

Swizterland has resisted expansion from KHL.
Yeah, I misread the CBC article. My bad, I'm an idiot.

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Yeah, I misread the CBC article. My bad, I'm an idiot.
No worries. Sorry for coming off like a jackass, im kinda a stickler for details sometimes

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10-04-2012, 02:05 PM
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Maybe the Jets should have gone hard for the monster. I've read a couple of articles that said the Jets were a play-off team but the goal-tending let us down. Are we (fans) in Winnipeg fooled thinking Pavs is actually not as good as we think?
Well I think there are 3 trains of thought:
  1. Pavelec was team MVP, constantly kept the team in the game, is an elite goaltender, and was the team/defense that let Pavelec down
  2. Pavelec is terrible as his stats register some of the lowest of all starting goaltenders
  3. Pavelec has lots of tools (athleticism, size, etc) but has some glaring weaknesses (positioning, conditioning, etc). He has potential but is not there yet... whether he get's there or not is a real kicker

Most people lean towards the first or third (I myself am in the third category). Second mostly sprung up in popularity with his recent Euro issues.

I think there is some minuscule validity to the first one due to how heavily the Jets relied on GST defensively for 5v5 and 4v5... who didn't do well at either (see 5v5 and 4v5 links). Also (as shown by me in the Enstrom 1st pairing thread) our most effective top4 D structure wasn't in-place as a complete unit for most of the season.

I think the real truth will be shown when the NHL starts again as the excuses disappear with the additions of Jokinen and Ponikarovsky, and hopefully less injuries to our top4 D.
  • Jokinen pushing either Wellwood or Burmistrov to third line duties, addition of Ponikarovsky (who has been statistically one the top shutdown forward on his team the past few years), and Antropov creates a new shutdown line. Poni-Burmi/Welly-Antro >>>> Glass-Slater-Thor.
  • Less defensive injuries means less Stuart (and Clitsome and Ran_y Jones) in the top 4. Enstrom-Byfuglien >>>> Stuart-Byfuglien. Hainsey-Bogosian >>>> Stuart-Bogosian.
  • With Jokinen addition and Kane's eventual (and hopeful) maturity, they will receive more offensive/PP minutes meaning Ladd and Little may receive more defensive minutes. Ladd-Little >>>> Glass-Slater

But yes. I do agree that with different goaltending we would of been a playoff team last season. Our Fenwick (shot differential similar to Corsi but better for team usage) was about similar to many of the bottom seed playoff teams (exception LAK who were one of the top in the league). Change Pavs SV% to league average and we have more wins (ironically when I came home I begun calculating this for an AIH article before I read this post)... but for some people it's short term pain for long term gain...
I hope Pavelec will be a long term gain.


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10-04-2012, 02:24 PM
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Not surprised.

Just infuriated that I got my Jets back and now I have to wait again.

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Apparently Andrew Ladd is not going to play in the KHL for personal reasons so says TSN 1290

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10-04-2012, 02:42 PM
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Apparently Andrew Ladd is not going to play in the KHL for personal reasons so says TSN 1290
Personal reasons:
His wife is preggers according to Ed Tait

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Thats quite a day for laddy boy

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I'm with #3 on your list (above) garret9.

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I keep seeing all these pictures in the media of Jets players (and other local NHLers) practicing at the IcePlex.

Does anyone know when those practices happen? I'm assuming they're open to the public, because there's all kinds of other **** happening at the IcePlex on a daily basis.

I'd love to take my kid to see some NHL players on the ice, even if they're just practicing, but I'm assuming I'd pretty much have to go down to the IcePlex randomly and hope something was going down...?

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Apparently Andrew Ladd is not going to play in the KHL for personal reasons so says TSN 1290
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His wife is preggers according to Ed Tait
TSN would be accurate and so is Ed.............congrats captain

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I'm with #3 on your list (above) garret9.
I agree with you as well.

My hopes are that he continues to improve because he is a cool customer and when he is on its something to watch. For some reason I believe he could be an absolutely great playoff goaltender.

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Here's the article on the Ladd change of heart.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo...172637901.html
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But the more we thought about it, the more I decided to change my mind. My wife Brandy is pregnant and I couldn’t really justify leaving her by herself. The more I thought about it, the more I thought I didn’t want to leave.

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Good man, glad he's staying behind in that case.

Anyone know when Kane will start playing with Dinamo? I'd love to get a "tape delayed" stream of his first game up some time.

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Good man, glad he's staying behind in that case.

Anyone know when Kane will start playing with Dinamo? I'd love to get a "tape delayed" stream of his first game up some time.
Hasn't Kane already played his 1st game?

Here it is he's #98

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqyFqFHWZ7E

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Hasn't Kane already played his 1st game?

Here it is he's #98

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqyFqFHWZ7E
Played his first game and got 6 shots on goal... if that continues, the points will come

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Played his first game and got 6 shots on goal... if that continues, the points will come
Played his second game today, I caught the second period between classes today. He looked decent, his speed works well on the big ice. He got 5sog and did something in the 3rd, got a 10 min misconduct.

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