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10-01-2012, 04:27 PM
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He is a big, tall, talented CANADIAN kid who plays for the Sabres.

After all the TAKING you guys have done over the years, it is nice to get one BIG ONE back.
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Hahaha fowler didn't make any of your teams?
Speaking of which.

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Brown - Kesler - Parise

Kane - Pavelski - Kessel

Ryan - Galchenyuk - Pacioretty

Callahan - Backes - Oshie


Suter - Mcdonagh

J.Johnson - Yandle

Carlson - Shattenkirk


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He is a big, tall, talented CANADIAN kid who plays for the Sabres.

After all the TAKING you guys have done over the years, it is nice to get one BIG ONE back.
Yeah just doesn't ring a bell for some reason.

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Brown - Kesler - Parise

Kane - Pavelski - Kessel

Ryan - Galchenyuk - Pacioretty

Callahan - Backes - Oshie


Suter - Mcdonagh

J.Johnson - Yandle

Carlson - Shattenkirk


Quick

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Schneider
I think Shattenkirk is a bit of a long shot. Galchenyuk would be a major dark horse. But truth is we need the creativity.

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I'd be shocked if any of the young American forwards would break in with enough time to make the team. If we lose a season, then I'd expect Stepan to be the only guy with a real shot to make it in. I doubt that guys like Gal, Kreider, or Palmieri would have enough time to make the cut with only a season and a half to make their case. I think you'd need a rookie contest the likes of which we haven't seen since Stats and Geno were fighting for the Calder trophy; a ton of injuries would work, too.

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I'd be shocked if any of the young American forwards would break in with enough time to make the team. If we lose a season, then I'd expect Stepan to be the only guy with a real shot to make it in. I doubt that guys like Gal, Kreider, or Palmieri would have enough time to make the cut with only a season and a half to make their case. I think you'd need a rookie contest the likes of which we haven't seen since Stats and Geno were fighting for the Calder trophy; a ton of injuries would work, too.
Only way it works is if we miss the season and then next year Galchenyuk comes in and has a Sidney Crosby/Ovechkin esque rookie season where by January he has a point plus a game. Unlikely at best.

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10-04-2012, 07:23 PM
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I'd be shocked if any of the young American forwards would break in with enough time to make the team. If we lose a season, then I'd expect Stepan to be the only guy with a real shot to make it in. I doubt that guys like Gal, Kreider, or Palmieri would have enough time to make the cut with only a season and a half to make their case. I think you'd need a rookie contest the likes of which we haven't seen since Stats and Geno were fighting for the Calder trophy; a ton of injuries would work, too.
Yeah, barring a real breakthrough season like that, I don't think you'll see any super young US forwards either. It doesn't help that we just don't produce much high end forward talent either as that's what could possibly make this team right now. There's just far too many really strong bottom 9 national team players in contention for guys like Galchenyuk, Kreider, Palmieri, etc. to really get in play. I could see Kreider as a possibility just because he's so fast and he's already physically mature but that would really depend on how he's developing in the AHL or NHL whenever it's back. The team could really use an elite center but it's not reasonable or fair to expect Gally to be that in 2014.

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Speaking of which.
If Myers counts as a "CANADIAN" kid (having started his hockey in Texas to two American parents who moved to Canada where he acquired citizenship after representing Team USA) then Fowler is probably the most patriotic, American loving AMERICAN you could find considering he was born an American, has spent his entire life in the USA playing for Team USA, and has never represented Canada.

But, all kidding aside, let's not get into this, again? You love this topic, we get it, but it's been beaten to death and none of us truly know the actual decision making process for these duals. USAH fans know we benefit from dual nationals more than others, and in regards to hockey we're certainly fortunate to be neighbors. It's the reality of having a high populous country that supports the majority of the teams in the world's best hockey league - a country in which said sport is a niche one among American kids. It shouldn't be surprising that USAH targets dual nationals with ties to the best hockey culture in the world as there's not enough of a hockey culture in the US to ignore those players, especially if they want to play for Team USA regardless of their reasoning.

It happens in lots of countries where a certain sport is niche. Look at the Canadian or US men's soccer teams. It's a necessity in the continued globalization of the world.

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But, all kidding aside, let's not get into this, again? You love this topic, we get it, but it's been beaten to death and none of us truly know the actual decision making process for these duals.
Aye Bonney,

You must be confusing me with someone else - this does not sound like a topic that I would argue.

Anyway, point taken.


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Yeah, barring a real breakthrough season like that, I don't think you'll see any super young US forwards either. It doesn't help that we just don't produce much high end forward talent either as that's what could possibly make this team right now. There's just far too many really strong bottom 9 national team players in contention for guys like Galchenyuk, Kreider, Palmieri, etc. to really get in play. I could see Kreider as a possibility just because he's so fast and he's already physically mature but that would really depend on how he's developing in the AHL or NHL whenever it's back. The team could really use an elite center but it's not reasonable or fair to expect Gally to be that in 2014.

You do make a good point that especially in a shortened NHL season, that it will probably be hard for guys like Galchenyuk, Kreider, Palmieri, Atkinson, Saad etc. to make a major impact on the forward group heading to Sochi, but I strongly feel with the high-end skill and creativity that a player like Galchenyuk has, it would be hard for the USA Hockey brass to not at least give him an invite to the USA Hockey Olympic evaluation camp.

I just feel if you could put him on a line with future Montreal Canadien teammate Max Pacioretty, it would help him a lot and help him build chemistry with Max. I'm not expecting Gally to be the leading point man or top line centermen for team USA in Sochi but I just think its wrong to not at least give him an invite to the camp with the high-end potential he has.

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You do make a good point that especially in a shortened NHL season, that it will probably be hard for guys like Galchenyuk, Kreider, Palmieri, Atkinson, Saad etc. to make a major impact on the forward group heading to Sochi, but I strongly feel with the high-end skill and creativity that a player like Galchenyuk has, it would be hard for the USA Hockey brass to not at least give him an invite to the USA Hockey Olympic evaluation camp.

I just feel if you could put him on a line with future Montreal Canadien teammate Max Pacioretty, it would help him a lot and help him build chemistry with Max. I'm not expecting Gally to be the leading point man or top line centermen for team USA in Sochi but I just think its wrong to not at least give him an invite to the camp with the high-end potential he has.
He'd have to earn the invite by playing well in the NHL.

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10-05-2012, 08:05 AM
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It's a shame we don't have more depth down the middle, I'd assume the only other centerman we have that has proven NHL experience that I didn't include on my roster is Paul Stastny which I guess isn't a bad thing considering he was on a line with Ryan and Pacioretty at this year's world championships.

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I am sure others have noticed this before me but...

The drafts of 2003, 2005 and 2007 will provide a very large chunk (75%(?) depending on the list) of players on the American team in Sochi.
The (very possible) contributions from those three drafts...

2003...

Ryan Suter
Dustin Brown
Zach Parise
Ryan Kesler
David Backes
Joe Pavelski
Dustin Byfuglien

2005...

Bobby Ryan
Jack Johnson
Brian Lee - included ONLY because he has such nice hair.
T.J. Oshie
Paul Stastney
J. Quick
Keith Yandle

2007...

Patrick Kane
JVR
Ryan McDonagh
Kevin Shattenkirk
Max Pacioretty


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^^^^^^

When choosing an Olympic team, you could make the arguement that you have up to 15 draft years to choose from - not wanting anyone on the team over the age of 34. To have ~75% of the players come from 20% of the drafts is suprising.

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It's a simpler issue.

The US development system went into a serious dry spell during the late 1990s.

There was the 1996 squad that really carried into the 2002 olympics but then was too old for 2006 where the new generation basically sucked.

That's why you don't see many veterans on the team. We don't have too many good ones.

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It's a simpler issue.

The US development system went into a serious dry spell during the late 1990s.

There was the 1996 squad that really carried into the 2002 olympics but then was too old for 2006 where the new generation basically sucked.

That's why you don't see many veterans on the team. We don't have too many good ones.
Fair enough but you must admit, those 3 drafts were a blessing (and a half) for USA Hockey and will carry far more than their share of weight in Sochi.
Even if you were allowed to take a maximum of one player from the other drafts since 2002, you would have a heck of a team and one you may see in 2014.



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The US development system went into a serious dry spell during the late 1990s.

There was the 1996 squad that really carried into the 2002 olympics but then was too old for 2006 where the new generation basically sucked.
I think you may see something similar after 2014. I know the NHL in Korea (2018) is highly unlikely but, if they are, the best of the 2014 team will be in their 30's and I don't see anyone on the immediate horizon capable of replacing that level of talent.

At least that is what I am hoping!

The team that was too young in 2010, will peak in 2014 and will be too old by 2018. If you are going to win Gold, Sochi is now!


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I think you may see something similar after 2014. I know the NHL in Korea (2018) is highly unlikely but, if they are, the best of the 2014 team will be in their 30's and I don't see anyone on the horizon capable of replacing that level of talent.

At least that is what I am hoping!

The team that was too young in 2010, will peak in 2014 and may be too old by 2018. If you are going to win Gold, Sochi is now!

I'd have to generally disagree.

We have a steady stream of talent coming through.

As for under 30s in 2018:

Erik Johnson
Phil Kessel
Kyle Okposo
Nick Foligno
Jamie McBain
Patrick Kane
James Van Riemsdyk
Ryan McDonaugh
Kevin Shattenkirk
Max Pacioretty
Zach Bogosian
Derek Stepan
Jake Gardiner
John Carlson
Nick Leddy
Chris Kreider
Cam Fowler


and who knows who will develop from the prospects that are coming up.

It's not going to be anything close to a team that fielded Rick DiPietro, John Grahame, Robert Esche, Jordan Leopold, John Liles, Erik Cole, Brian Gionta, Scott Gomez and Mark Parrish as young in their prime talents.

2018 is far away but it's hardly a worry.

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I'd have to generally disagree.

We have a steady stream of talent coming through.

As for under 30s in 2018:

Erik Johnson
Phil Kessel
Kyle Okposo
Nick Foligno
Jamie McBain
Patrick Kane
James Van Riemsdyk
Ryan McDonaugh
Kevin Shattenkirk
Max Pacioretty
Zach Bogosian
Derek Stepan
Jake Gardiner
John Carlson
Nick Leddy
Chris Kreider
Cam Fowler
I see a LOT of D-Men on that list.

The USA will be very, very good in Sochi. The only thing standing between Canada/US and the final is the big ice.


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I see a LOT of D-Men on that list.

The USA will be very, very good in Sochi. The only thing standing between Canada/US and the final is the big ice.
I don't expect the big ice to be an issue. They looked like they had a handle on it with this year's WC team. At least we won't have to worry about Bylsma putting our third pairing out in the final minute of a major game, like Gordon did against Finland.

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I don't expect the big ice to be an issue. They looked like they had a handle on it with this year's WC team. At least we won't have to worry about Bylsma putting our third pairing out in the final minute of a major game, like Gordon did against Finland.
I hope you are right but I have an awful feeling that the Gold Medal game will be an all European final.

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My Projected U.S. 2014 Sochi Depth Chart. (revised)

I am obviously projecting not going by how good they are right now

Parise - Kesler - Ryan (best all around line)
Kane - Stepan - Kessel (best scoring line you give them protected minutes)
Callahan - Backes - Brown (every coach will be ripping their hair out game planning on how to deal with these 3)
Kreider - Oshie - Pominville (a very good 2 way line with good goal scoring ability)
Byfuglien (power play specialist)

McDonagh - Yandle (3 solid lines no weak links)
Suter - Shattenkirk
Scuderi - Fowler
Carlson(would come in to kill penalties)

Quick
Schneider
Miller

Tortorella as head coach(Please leave Bylsma in the states)

IMO this would be by far the most talented team the US has ever sent to the Olympics


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foligno wont be able to play for the US, as soon as you play for a country at an IIHF sanctioned event, thats the country you will represent. since marcus played for canada at the World juniors

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The bottom 4 defensemen of that team are strictly offensive defensemen, and I don't think that would work well.

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The bottom 4 defensemen of that team are strictly offensive defensemen, and I don't think that would work well.
Yandle is very underrated defensively. But I see your point maybe Byfuglien becomes your extra guy and you pair Scuderi with Fowler?

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