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10-04-2012, 07:48 PM
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First you skipped You skipped the NBA, MLB and their revenue sharing and Your explanation of what you think happened in baseball and how Fehr ruined it

Because there are subsidized NBA teams. The NBA lockout was over the same issue the NHL is facing. The big markets vs the small. Guess what



http://www.nba.com/2011/news/12/08/l...hed/index.html



It's not the players fault that teams are in Florida and Phoenix. If you think the Rangers, Leafs, Flyers, Montreal, Vancouver, and a few other markets have small revenue pools I have a bridge to sell you.

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/#p_1_s_d6_

According to Forbes (who Piston has proved correct back in the day)
The Leafs made 81.8 million in profit last year
The Canadiens made 47.7 Million
The Rangers 41.4 Mil
The Canucks 23.5 Mil
Oilers 17.3 Mil
Red Wings 16.3 mil
Chicago 8.7 mil


Sports leagues aren't free markets. I can't start an NHL team in Seattle tomorrow if I wanted to. I need league and other ownership approval. The owners control where the teams are, not the players. The fact that some teams can't afford to spend to the floor is on the owners

The teams in the league all need each other. They need opponents and factors like the advertising revenue and TV money are a result of how healthy the entire league is.

Revenue sharing is practiced by the other three leagues because it is important to the overall health of the league.
You could put an NFL team in Alaska, it would make money. The NHL does not have that luxury.

Yes the NBA did increase revenue sharing; but it was peanuts compared to what the NBA players gave up in revenue(close to 3 Billion over the contract length).

The NBA owners got what they wanted, that is why they are playing at all.

Both sides are to blame, it's everyone's fault the league is in another lockout.


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You could put an NFL team in Alaska, it would make money. The NHL does not have that luxury.
Only the NFL has that Luxury. Each sport is unique. The NHL's situation is closest to the NBA. 30 teams, same number of teams, same playoffs,a franchise run by the league , small market teams having trouble paying to the floor, a bunch of teams losing money

Note the parallels. Also note 2005

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However, negotiations went smoothly and the two sides were able to reach a deal in June 2005, avoiding the lockout.[11][12] That deal guaranteed players 57*percent of basketball-related income (BRI) and lasted for six years, until June 30, 2011.[13]

A year after signing the deal, eight owners signed a petition requesting NBA commissioner David Stern address the disparity between small-market and large-market teams. They wrote that "the hard truth is that our current economic system works only for larger-market teams and a few teams that have extraordinary success ...The rest of us are looking at significant and unacceptable annual financial losses.

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: "The only way for this league to really have financial viability across all of the teams is to have team revenue sharing like the NFL has ... with current economic conditions and with the attendance and so on being what it is in Memphis, we're not going to indiscriminately spend millions and millions of dollars on players unless they take us deep into the playoffs"
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/D...pproaches.aspx




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The league contends that 22 of the 30 teams are losing money
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...ancials-110630


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Yes the NBA did increase revenue sharing; but it was peanuts compared to what the NBA players gave up in revenue(close to 3 Billion over the contract length).

The NBA owners got what they wanted, that is why they are playing at all
Management always wins a labor disputes. The longer it goes on, the longer it favor management. The only time the players "win" is when the courts get involved.


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Players have pushed for stronger revenue sharing, something also sought by a swath of hardline small market owners who blame the league's imbalance on big-spending teams in larger markets. .


But after getting the percentage they wanted and increasing revenue sharing... look what happened
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When the NBA owners and players agreed to end the lock out, I think most people thought that was the end of all talks about competitive balance. However, as it turns out, the owners argued that revenue sharing among owners was an owners issue and not something that needed to be collectively bargained. And now it appears the owners are close to agreeing on a groundbreaking new revenue sharing plan.
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When fully phased in by the 2013-14 season, it will see a stunning $140 million in additional revenue sharing coming into play compared with last year, moving money through a complex formula that shifts some of the financial wealth of big-market NBA teams to the league's neediest teams, each of which could receive up to $16 million a year as part of the plan.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...HRlc3QD;_ylv=3


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Both sides are to blame, it's everyone's fault the league is in another lockout.
No one is denying this.

The players should have met much much early. It favored them then. Now the longer this goes on the more it favors the owners.
I also have a feeling there are many pro revenue sharing owners that aren't allowed to say they are.


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10-04-2012, 10:36 PM
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They don't teach Real world stuff at Ivy league anymore. Unless your degree deals with it. I would bet money Westgarth's degree is in Political study or some other (BullS%^T).

Pretty much all Schools teach you to not think for yourself in today's education.

College kids (Now) are some of the dumbest people I have ever worked with. They have zero critical thinking skills.

That's just a personal opinion. I am college educated, but my degree is in Accounting. I also had 7 years of Accounting experience before I went to school.
How does one get Accounting Experience without an Accounting Degree? What Accounting firm would hire someone without a degree?

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How does one get Accounting Experience without an Accounting Degree? What Accounting firm would hire someone without a degree?
You don't need a BS for most accounting jobs. It's actually cheaper to hire Accountants that way. A two year certificate is enough(36 units/fast). You can get that through a JC(cheap), then work for account temps.

I am a fifth generation Accountant, it runs in my family's blood. I also ran a small Sign company(my own, in a mall) for about Five years.

You don't have to work for Accounting firms. That is actually the worse Job an Accountant can have.

You want to work for private companies, they pay more.

I got my experience in an apprenticeship through account temps. Then I went to school when the company I was working for (agreed to cover costs cause they liked me, and wanted to keep me).

School actually doesn't teach you to be an Accountant. Only work experience can do that. The only thing I learned in College I would consider (Valuable) would be the tax classes I had to take.

Cause America's Tax code needs about a year of instructional aid to understand (if you are dealing with Million Dollar Company assets).

The demand for a half way decent Accountant is really high right now, So people are not really picky about who they hire.

It's easy for Certificate people like I used to be to undercut(pay wise) College grads. That's what I did to start at the company I am at.

I worked for half the price a College grad would (no student loans to pay). Then they offered to pick up my tab for school(after three years of hard work).

The degree is the most overrated piece of paper in America. It's the new high school Diploma.

America needs to go back to master and apprentice. I could teach a motivated High school Kid to do my Job in about four years. He doesn't need 60k in dept and a piece of paper to learn what I do.

College is the biggest money scam in America right now. Student Loans are also the next Bubble all of us TAX payers are on the hook for.


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Hahaha so funny.

This whole issue is like a microcosm of the current state of the U.S. job market and the ideologies within.

One side wants to give the lesser teams the ability to pick up themselves by shaving the pie from those that make more and giving it to the needy, (At this point the PA makes more than the owners in terms of RS percentage.), and one side doesn't want to give up the pie and wants fiscal responsibility from the lesser teams and growth from the govern...errrr league.

Interesting stuff ^_^

Can we ever get away from the politics of this world!

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