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10-03-2012, 07:52 AM
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Looks to me that those are brand new dasher boards panels going in for a few reasons:

1. The boards look to have been shipped in on skids from the factory and have not yet been transferred to MSG stack racks. See skidded dashers behind forklift near where the top of 7th and 33rd face off circle would be.

2. Compared to old photos (September, 2011) the panel backside frames look different, the blue top cap has a different hole pattern and the groove for the glass also looks deeper.

3. When they set the rink after phase 1, the old ad decals were visible. The boards in the latest photo look very clean with no evidence of prior decals or panel ID numbers marked on the sides.

4. The base anchoring system also appears to be new.

I believe that this is the Crystaplex rink system that has been utilized in several NHL and other buildings.

Now if they only get to use them!
You see all that from this photo?

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10-03-2012, 02:56 PM
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You see all that from this photo?
I thought that the dasher panel frames looked different in this photo so I dug a little deep,by zooming in on other images, mostly interior shots on the MSG Xformation page with my computer clock advanced.

Board panels on skids as opposed to stack racks seemed to be a clue.

Also went digging on the web and just found the following:

http://www.sportsystemscorp.com/news.php?id=892

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10-04-2012, 04:24 AM
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Those stanchions between the glass panels have cost us a few goals over the past few seasons. Glad to see them go.

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10-04-2012, 03:06 PM
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A look into one of the Madison Suites from the NY Post

http://www.nypost.com/video?freewhee...t&VID=23825491

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10-04-2012, 03:43 PM
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A look into one of the Madison Suites from the NY Post

http://www.nypost.com/video?freewhee...t&VID=23825491
Those are going to be a 100x better than the nosebleed suites on the 9th floor. And I much prefer the private box seating to the open seating arrangement that comes with the ice level suites.

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10-05-2012, 08:10 AM
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Looks to me that those are brand new dasher boards panels going in for a few reasons:

1. The boards look to have been shipped in on skids from the factory and have not yet been transferred to MSG stack racks. See skidded dashers behind forklift near where the top of 7th and 33rd face off circle would be.

2. Compared to old photos (September, 2011) the panel backside frames look different, the blue top cap has a different hole pattern and the groove for the glass also looks deeper.

3. When they set the rink after phase 1, the old ad decals were visible. The boards in the latest photo look very clean with no evidence of prior decals or panel ID numbers marked on the sides.

4. The base anchoring system also appears to be new.

I believe that this is the Crystaplex rink system that has been utilized in several NHL and other buildings.

Now if they only get to use them!
Welcome to the boards R4s (puns notwithstanding), and a great eye for detail there!

Now that the new Crystaplex boards have been installed, this begs 2 questions:

1. Will these boards be removed for other events? (e.g. Knicks games, Westminster Dog Show, concerts, etc.). I know that pre-Transformation, the rink boards at center ice were removed during changeovers & vice versa - it was only last season that they completely uninstalled the boards for Knicks games so that they wouldn't obstruct the views from the ELS.

2. What's going to be the fate of the old boards & plexiglass? For sale by Steiner Sports at inflated prices? (I can see this auction promo: "Now, you too can purchase a piece of the plexiglass where Steve Larmer pinned the puck along the boards at the final faceoff to clinch the NY Rangers' first Stanley Cup championship in 54 Long, Thirsty Years... And this panel of hockey history "Will Last a Lifetime!!!"

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10-05-2012, 02:19 PM
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For events such as Basketball and concerts, etc., they will have to continue to dismantle the entire rink for the following reason: The elevated aisles that ran from goal line to goal line on both sides of the rink were demolished and replace with shorter aisles behind the player benches and penalty boxes only. This made room for the addition of about 200 seats total on newly added telescoping seating rows in the front of corner sections 104, 105, 109, 110, 114, 115, 119 & 120. (pre X- formation, the only side fill seating risers where set in front of player and penalty boxes). When extended for the aforementioned events, the added telescoping seating rows extend all the way out to the edge of the rink. If the portions of the dasher boards that used to remain in place for other events were left in place, 5th floor patron access to the Delta 360 Club from inside the arena would be blocked as there would be no room for a passage aisle between the new seating risers and the boards. Even with the 2 or 3 new rows stowed for Hockey, the access aisle to the 360 Club between the boards and sections 104-105 & 119- 120 is very narrow.

PS: I'll bet that the revenue generated from about 200 added seats for events other than Hockey more than offsets the costs associated with the additional changeover labor that is required.

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10-05-2012, 02:24 PM
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PS: I'll bet that the revenue generated from about 200 added seats for events other than Hockey more than offsets the costs associated with the additional changeover labor that is required.
You would think that they ran the numbers and figured that out. The marginal cost probably isn't much higher because the workers are likely salaried full time. It also doesn't hurt that those would be the most valuable and highest revenue generating class of seating

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10-05-2012, 04:18 PM
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Highly unlikely that the MSG changeover crews are salaried fulltime workers. (Not yet, anyway. Wouldn't Charlie D love that?) They are more likely Union Carpenters, Stagehands, etc. who work many shifts at an OT rate given the hours when most changeovers take place.

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10-05-2012, 06:48 PM
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A look into one of the Madison Suites from the NY Post

http://www.nypost.com/video?freewhee...t&VID=23825491
The video showed one of the concourse suites. The Madison Club is not suites, and is located below the new blue seats on the west side. This suite in the video was on the east side.

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10-05-2012, 07:23 PM
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Highly unlikely that the MSG changeover crews are salaried fulltime workers. (Not yet, anyway. Wouldn't Charlie D love that?) They are more likely Union Carpenters, Stagehands, etc. who work many shifts at an OT rate given the hours when most changeovers take place.
I wouldn't mind doing that for some side cash

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10-08-2012, 11:14 AM
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They started putting the banners back up...idk maybe its me but it looks like the replaced the old rangers banners with newer ones. Its dark and a tough angle to see from the october 6 picture, but it looks different.

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10-08-2012, 11:55 AM
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They started putting the banners back up...idk maybe its me but it looks like the replaced the old rangers banners with newer ones. Its dark and a tough angle to see from the october 6 picture, but it looks different.
Looks like they're also putting them in the same spot they were before. The renderings had them closer to the scoreboard though that may not happen until they put the bridges in.

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10-08-2012, 06:01 PM
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Can you guys post a screen shot of what you are seeing, with the banners?

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(pic is dated 10/6 on the msgtransformation site)


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10-08-2012, 08:09 PM
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(pic is dated 10/6 on the msgtransformation site)

Thanks!

Interesting... does seem different.

Hoping to see the new Atlantic Division banner soon.

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10-08-2012, 08:35 PM
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Just for fun, I figured I'd try a side by side -

Pic on the left is 10/6/12, pic on the right is 11/16/11(random day that seemed bright inside the bldg). -

Looks like the banners might be lined up differently, or they haven't put all of them up yet? Pics are pretty grainy, but it is cool to see how different the place looks almost a year later


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10-08-2012, 11:27 PM
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Nice job ratdog, thanks...

Guy who sits a section over from me in the last row always screams at people going to their seats during the gameplay. He's going to have a lot more rows to police now haha.

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Just for fun, I figured I'd try a side by side -

Pic on the left is 10/6/12, pic on the right is 11/16/11(random day that seemed bright inside the bldg). -

Looks like the banners might be lined up differently, or they haven't put all of them up yet? Pics are pretty grainy, but it is cool to see how different the place looks almost a year later

Also see the new lights in the more recent photos.

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Im going to miss having the seats on a single plane where I can walk from the top of the bowl to the bottom without entering the concourses. I expect ticket maids at the entrances of the lower bowl now, say goodbye to pregames down by the glass

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The NHL can lock out its players, but it can’t keep me out of the Garden! Last Friday, I had the opportunity to tour the world’s most famous arena and see the latest renovations, including a major upgrade for the Rangers: the installation of entirely new boards to eliminate those crazy puck redirections off stanchions that occurred last season and create a smoother playing surface for both teams.
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How do new boards create a 'smoother' playing surface on the ice? By 'smoother' they mean more predictable boards??? Poor choice of words when the Garden is notorious for crappy ice, lol.


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How do new boards create a 'smoother' playing surface on the ice? By 'smoother' they mean more predictable boards??? Poor choice of words when the Garden is notorious for crappy ice, lol.
I don't know crap about rink design but new boards might also help keep the ice more even down in the corners along the boards? Maybe not but just a thought

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