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Vanek: will stay on the team through the end of his contract to support hodgson or grigorenko. He may be traded next offseason if Armia is deemed ready for the NHL. Maybe a Dman in return to replace Leopold or Regehr.
Stafford: He still has rope left due to his stomachable cap hit and age.
Pominville: Not going anywhere, but I dont like him having the C.
Wingers in likelihood of being traded:
1. Vanek
2. Leino
Fixed it for you. There's literally no reason to trade Gerbe. His cap hit is tiny, and he's a good utility forward that can plug in on almost any line and not look too out of place. Vanek's cap hit and the (seemingly) low likelihood that he re-signs after his contract expires put him first. Leino, obviously, everyone would love to trade, but he's easily a distant second because..Well, I'll eat my hat if Regier would rather throw away good assets to get someone to take him from us when Pegula wouldn't have any problem just eating the cost/burying him in the AHL or Europe somewhere.
You want someone with grit. Bourque is a 30g,60pt man if playing well. Plus a very good PKer
I LOL'd at this. Bourque is none of those things. Not even one of them. You just went 0 for 4.
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A top winger who gets 14-15 minutes a game. With low minutes, he produces 65-70 points a season. It would be safe to assume if he played 20+ minutes a night, he may very well get 80-85 points a season, maybe more.
Vanek gets more than 14-15 minutes per game. Last year he got 16:56 per game and the 2 years before that, 17:21 and 16:45. That's still low, but adding 2 minutes per game isn't going to give him 15 points more in a year.
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The ship has sailed on Zack in Buffalo. I don't think Regier and Ruff were particularly fond of Kassian.
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The Canucks are obviously hoping for the former, but Ruff says it’s too early to project what type of player Kassian will be.
“He’s a young player. You never know with young players,” Ruff explained. “It’s a little bit of hit and miss. There’s a lot of inconsistency usually, so in his case there’s a lot there. It’s whether he’s going to get it to that full potential.”
Doesn't seem to be any dislike, just a move to pick up a center.
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“I liked what he was doing on the offensive side of it for the most part,” Ruff said of Kassian, who was traded at the deadline for Vancouver’s Cody Hodgson. “Good puck protection and hanging onto pucks. I’ve got a curiosity on where his physical game is going to go, and that’s it.”
How about Brouwer + for Stafford? Kind of a scaled down version for the Pominville for Callahan trade.
I like Brouwer, but I'd pass on that. At some point "culture change" trades have diminishing value, and you can only make so man Roy-for-Ott or Stafford-for-Brouwer trades before you're a more competitive team that loses more because you can't consistently create offense.
In any case, I don't think Stafford is anywhere close to being the lazy, complacent player that we've had too much of over the years. He works harder than anybody in the offseason, and he puts forth a consistent effort over 82 games. He also hit more than any of Buffalo's top-9 players last year, so, IMO, the marginal upgrade in physicality doesn't outweigh the better offense Drew provides--say nothing for his chemistry with Ennis.
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Doesn't seem to be any dislike, just a move to pick up a center.
I didn't say they disliked him, just that I don't think they were particularly fond of his game--I don't think he was showing what they thought they were buying when they drafted him--and, at times, his decision-making. They cut off contract negotiations with him when he got in the bar fight. In Rochester, he tried going for a line change just after he made a turnover at the blueline and the opponent was rushing the puck the other way, only nobody came on the ice for him. Then he acted like a child when a reporter asked him why he wasn't fighting much in the AHL. Obviously, Buffalo needed a center like Hodgson, but I don't think they'd put much effort forth in attempting to reacquire Zack.
A top winger who gets 14-15 minutes a game. With low minutes, he produces 65-70 points a season. It would be safe to assume if he played 20+ minutes a night, he may very well get 80-85 points a season, maybe more.
And Kassian and a 1st is the offer?
Give to get. Don't give, don't get.
When Vanek becomes a consistent 80-85 point player, you can call him one.
He'd be the Canucks highest paid forward and likely their fourth most valuable.
That being said, I consider Kassian + 1st a significant offer. I would rather trade Gaunce or Jensen but figured you guys still have a need for a guy like Kassian.
When Vanek becomes a consistent 80-85 point player, you can call him one.
He'd be the Canucks highest paid forward and likely their fourth most valuable.
That being said, I consider Kassian + 1st a significant offer. I would rather trade Gaunce or Jensen but figured you guys still have a need for a guy like Kassian.
A late first and a prospect the organization obviously had some issues with just isn't all that enticing of an offer. I like Kass and I hope he gets it together in Vancouver, but I can't see why Buffalo would want him back.
When Vanek becomes a consistent 80-85 point player, you can call him one.
He'd be the Canucks highest paid forward and likely their fourth most valuable.
That being said, I consider Kassian + 1st a significant offer. I would rather trade Gaunce or Jensen but figured you guys still have a need for a guy like Kassian.
Vanek playing with the Sedins would instantly produce one of the best scoring lines in the league. Vanek has been putting up consistently good numbers since he joined the league, playing with a slew of centers who can hardly be called true #1's. That offer doesn't get it done.
Vanek playing with the Sedins would instantly produce one of the best scoring lines in the league. Vanek has been putting up consistently good numbers since he joined the league, playing with a slew of centers who can hardly be called true #1's. That offer doesn't get it done.
What does Buffalo need right now? A veteran 3rd line centre who's an ace in the faceoff circle(Malhotra?)
Malhotra + Gaunce + 1st for Vanek I wouldn't mind doing if Schroeder does alright in his rookie season.
Buffalo would have the most stacked centre depth ever; Hodgson-Ennis-Grigorenko-Girgensons-Gaunce.
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I'd definitely take Stafford on the Devils, but if the Sabres are truly looking at a top-6 forward swap as a return, it wouldn't be worth it from our standpoint.
I'd definitely take Stafford on the Devils, but if the Sabres are truly looking at a top-6 forward swap as a return, it wouldn't be worth it from our standpoint.
Yeah, I don't think NJ and Buf are great trade partners since both seem wanting in their top 6 forwards and have a surplus of D. Only NJ player I'd be interested in (that I think NJ would be willing to give up anyway) is Tallinder.
Yeah, I don't think NJ and Buf are great trade partners since both seem wanting in their top 6 forwards and have a surplus of D. Only NJ player I'd be interested in (that I think NJ would be willing to give up anyway) is Tallinder.
That works. But unless Buffalo solves its defensive logjam, this wouldn't be feasible. Out of curiosity, would a Tallinder-for-Stafford basis work?
That works. But unless Buffalo solves its defensive logjam, this wouldn't be feasible. Out of curiosity, would a Tallinder-for-Stafford basis work?
I discussed a Tallinder trade a while ago and Adam was the name that popped up the most. NJ would need to add for Stafford, but it just doesn't really make sense for Buffalo to lose a top 6 winger to add to an already clogged D-corps.
I discussed a Tallinder trade a while ago and Adam was the name that popped up the most. NJ would need to add for Stafford, but it just doesn't really make sense for Buffalo to lose a top 6 winger to add to an already clogged D-corps.
No, it doesn't make sense at all for Buffalo. I completely agree. Perhaps this could be pursued if/when the Sabres decongest their blueline.
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Id swap Zajac for stafford even though that doesnt help NJ at all lol
Yeah, we're not looking to trade Zajac, unless it's for a better player (Toews, for example).
Personally, I would pull the trigger on this in a heartbeat.
Cool. Hopefully we can get a first from a Luongo trade to make up for losing the 1st, as it is a pretty sweet draft, but I think we'd be cup favourites after making that trade.
Personally, I would pull the trigger on this in a heartbeat.
How would we fill the hole that Vanek left? And please don't say Ott because he's not a first liner. Having a team full of grinders may be fun to watch but aren't gonna win us many games
What does Buffalo need right now? A veteran 3rd line centre who's an ace in the faceoff circle(Malhotra?)
Malhotra + Gaunce + 1st for Vanek I wouldn't mind doing if Schroeder does alright in his rookie season.
Buffalo would have the most stacked centre depth ever; Hodgson-Ennis-Grigorenko-Girgensons-Gaunce.
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Personally, I would pull the trigger on this in a heartbeat.
I must admit I am a little intrigued by this - I really wanted Gaunce on draft day, not that I wasn't thrilled when we picked up Grigs & Girgs.
Leino-Hodgson-Pominville
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Malholtra-Kaleta
Gerbe-McCormick-Tropp X. Adam, Ellis, Scott
Having Malholtra (UFA after this year) in the mix for a season would allow the Sabres enough time to properly progress Grigorenko, Girgensons, Gaunce & Sundher/Catenacci through Sabres university and or package a prospect or two for an NHL ready #1/#2 centreman should the situation present itself later on.
The only part I find a little concerning is the lack of scoring ability in the bottom 6.
Buffalo literally has no need for Tallinder or Clarkson in all honesty. I would take Clarkson in some sort of deal for Adam+, but the only way Buffalo ends up with Tallinder is for a guy like Leopold or Weber IMO.
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RW Drew Stafford
D Jordan Leopold
2013 4TH RND pick
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C Jacob Josefson
D Henrik Tallinder
2013 3rd RND pick
Buffalo literally has no need for Tallinder or Clarkson in all honesty. I would take Clarkson in some sort of deal for Adam+, but the only way Buffalo ends up with Tallinder is for a guy like Leopold or Weber IMO
Remember that time Tyler Myers was amazing as a rookie and looked like a guy who'd have a future full of top 5 finishes in Norris voting? Tallinder was his partner then. If we want Myers to be a number 1 d-man, he can't be stuck with guys like Leopold, who need to be sheltered from tougher QOC, all the time. That would be why we'd acquire Tallinder.
Clarkson, in that deal, would just fill a bit of the hole from losing Stafford.
I'd definitely consider it...But it'd be hard to break up Stafford-Ennis.
