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10-05-2012, 08:44 PM
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You guys know any good comedies on right now other than Parks and Rec and Community? I've heard some really good things about Louie.
Louie is good but I wouldn't even call it a comedy any more. It's its own thing.

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30 Rock of course
Mindy Project only has 2 episodes so far but could be good

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I must be on crazy pills or something. I seriously don't know a single person in real life who likes 30 Rock. Not one.

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Well I mean it's not popular at all. 3 million viewers last night. It's crack for comedy/pop culture nerds like myself tho.

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The problem is that he's the only character that I find funny. I don't really like the rest of them, even though they have their moments from time to time.

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Well I mean it's not popular at all. 3 million viewers last night. It's crack for comedy/pop culture nerds like myself tho.
I just don't get it. I'm not sure Tracy Morgan has ever actually been funny before. The whole show just feels like its trying really really hard to make you think its not trying. It's that kid in school who goes out of his way to wear goofy clothes to make sure you know he doesn't care what you think of him.

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The problem is that he's the only character that I find funny. I don't really like the rest of them, even though they have their moments from time to time.
everyone else is really hit or miss. Ron Swanson is hit or hit so hard I roll on the floor laughing.

Seriously, oversized cups were the main idea of a 3 or 4 minute scene. What the hell.

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I must be on crazy pills or something. I seriously don't know a single person in real life who likes 30 Rock. Not one.
I love(d) it...I'm way behind now because of my lack of cable-having for so long...but up through the end of season 4 was great...from what I've heard I'm almost better off not trying to catch up on things, though.

Mind you 30 Rock is sort of a meta show about writing a television show...so that inherently appeals to me. The character of Liz Lemon had already been watered down by the time I left off with the show, though, and has apparently gotten even worse since then...and that's a shame. In it's 2nd & 3rd season it was the best comedy on TV...but even it's biggest fans generally refer to it like Simpsons fans refer to modern Simpsons episodes. 30 Rock was a show that I was shocked to get a 3rd season...and sometimes it's for the better. As much as I love Community and want to work for a show like that...that show can't last 7 seasons and still be Community.

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The problem is that he's the only character that I find funny. I don't really like the rest of them, even though they have their moments from time to time.
Yeah...well you can't really do a 22 minute show around Ron Swanson and actually have anything resembling plot...nevermind fill an entire season with that stuff. You can't over-expose a character like that, he's at his best when he's used sparingly. The first episode of the season was probably the most screen time Ron's ever had and it was the worst episode the show has had since it's first season. Ron was still somewhat funny and it was true to his character...but he was overexposed. The funniest character on a show is almost never the main character.

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Don't listen to the haters Big. Last night's 30 Rock was one of the best of all time. OF ALL TIME. It's still close to as good as it ever was.

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Yeah...well you can't really do a 22 minute show around Ron Swanson and actually have anything resembling plot...nevermind fill an entire season with that stuff. You can't over-expose a character like that, he's at his best when he's used sparingly. The first episode of the season was probably the most screen time Ron's ever had and it was the worst episode the show has had since it's first season. Ron was still somewhat funny and it was true to his character...but he was overexposed. The funniest character on a show is almost never the main character.
Yeah... I guess...

So what you're saying is that if I got my way and they made a straight up Ari Gold show, it wouldn't be as good as the premise sounds. That's probably one of my most favorite, if not the most favorite TV character ever.

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Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Most great characters aren't the lead characters of a show. Hell, usually my least favorite character is the lead character...they exist to move the storylines forward. How does a show centered around Ron Swanson work? He actively avoids doing things. It's just a sketch show at that point.

There's nothing wrong with sketch shows...but I like my shows to have depth. Ron Swanson may be my favorite character on television right now (and possibly ever)...but he's about as deep as a wading pool. If you try to make him any deeper than he is then he ceases being Ron Swanson...and Ron Swanson isn't possible without an opposite character to feed off of, ala Leslie Knope.


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Don't listen to the haters Big. Last night's 30 Rock was one of the best of all time. OF ALL TIME. It's still close to as good as it ever was.
Glad to hear that. I'm just happy that NBC did give them a proper send-off with a 13 episode short-season. Seeing a three-time Best Sitcom Emmy winner outright cancelled without a true ending would have been depressing.


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Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Most great characters aren't the lead characters of a show. Hell, usually my least favorite character is the lead character...they exist to move the storylines forward. How does a show centered around Ron Swanson work? He actively avoids doing things. It's just a sketch show at that point.
I don't know how Michael Scott ever worked as well as he did as a lead. I guess having three "almost" main characters right behind him was the key.

I'm trying to think of sitcoms with really good leads. Cheers, The Office, Frasier, Scrubs, Seinfeld, Arrested Development, Spin City, Cosby, Everybody Loves Raymond, Married with Children, I Love Lucy, Fresh Prince. I think its rare that I watch a show when I don't like the lead. Community and Parks and Rec are probably as close as I come.

Of course, quite a few other shows just go with the ensemble cast and avoid the whole situation. Friends, Always Sunny, etc.


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Without a lead you don't really have a show...so in a vehicle (like Seinfeld) then obviously the main character is going to be getting most of the good jokes.

Probably not a good example for me considering I'd like to stab every character on that show with a spork, but still...Kramer couldn't handle the weight of a show.

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Without a lead you don't really have a show...so in a vehicle (like Seinfeld) then obviously the main character is going to be getting most of the good jokes.

Probably not a good example for me considering I'd like to stab every character on that show with a spork, but still...Kramer couldn't handle the weight of a show.
I'm not really sure what my point was there, more just stating examples of shows that had good leads. In case you were distracted by your burning hatred of Seinfeld, I did list other examples again, no real point I guess. I just don't share your view of most leads being there just to move the story. Then again, I've never been to no fancy writin school neither.

I definitely agree that a lot of shows best characters wouldn't work as leads. Gob, Swanson et al. Is that Dwight spinoff still happening? Has a spinoff show actually worked since Frasier?


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Been working out, playing tennis, and playing hockey like crazy recently. I feel like i'm in the best shape of my life...

so I went to Burgatory tonight to celebrate. ****ing right. It was damn good. Still not the best burger in Pittsburgh, though. That belongs to Bob's Diner or Fat Heads.
I've only had Fat Heads of those, but it is amazing.

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I'm not really sure what my point was there, more just stating examples of shows that had good leads. In case you were distracted by your burning hatred of Seinfeld, I did list other examples again, no real point I guess. I just don't share your view of most leads being there just to move the story. Then again, I've never been to no fancy writin school neither.
I wasn't saying most leads just being there to move the story...it's just an inherent aspect of the main character. There has to be a reason for a show to be made...and the day-to-day ramblings of a burly Libertarian isn't enough of a reason.

To shift things to Community...there is no Community without Jeff, though I don't know anyone who lists him as their favorite character in the show. That doesn't mean he's a great character and the show is a great example of an ensemble show done right...but Jeff is the character that is the reason for the show existing, as without him wanting to get with Britta there is no study group, and he gets more screen time than any of the other characters usually...even if it isn't that much more than the rest of the ensemble. The show would be entirely different if he and Abed changed seats. As much as I love Abed it's pretty hard to write a primary story around him that doesn't degrade into some sort of talk about a mental condition...he's best as 1/7 of the group making his observations and movie references.

I'm just trying to think of shows where my favorite character is the 'main' character and they're few and far between. Arrested Development did a great job making Michael a deep and interesting character...but Tobias and Gob were still my favorite characters. Fry is a fun character in Futurama, but Zoidberg is my favorite of the main characters. Dwight in The Office, Bill in Freaks and Geeks, Jane in Firefly...the only shows that I can think of where my favorite character is the 'main' character are shows where there is a truly clear main character...like a star vehicle (Seinfeld is named Seinfeld for a reason).

I'm a fan of ensemble shows...and most of them do have a character that I'd call the glue, the character that holds everything together and drives the bulk of the action.

The pilot I've been working on for years (I have no delusions of it actually being made, so I don't feel too bad about talking about it unlike half the people here who are so uptight about everyone 'stealing' their ideas...oi) is an ensemble show that follows a similar model to Community in the way the characters are laid out...I've got one 'main' character who clearly starts the wheels in motion and five characters that are essentially equal past that initial action (and another couple characters who play major parts without being primary characters...think Chang or the Dean in Community...who are the most outrageous characters on the show because of their roles). Even though my main character shares a ton in common with myself he's not my favorite character to work with, because he's a somewhat grounded individual. My favorite characters to work with are the more outrageous ones. To go back to Community...everyone is going to like Dean Pelton more than Shirley Bennett...but a character like the Dean isn't possible without having the grounded presence of a character like Shirley. A show where everyone is off living in their own worlds becomes unrelatable and hard to watch.


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Community is one of the few shows I enjoy in spite of not liking the main character at all. Its what keeps me from calling it a great show. I just don't think Jeff or Britta are funny. Like, at all.

I guess I agree that most shows best character isn't the main character. But I usually at least like the main character in the shows I watch. Michael Bluth is a great character. Same for Mal in Firefly. Michael Scott was always my favorite on the Office though. Dwight was great, but he is the perfect example of why guys like Ron Swanson shouldn't be stars. The more the office focuses on Dwight, the less I like him.

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I like the main characters in all of the shows I love (including Jeff), they're just rarely my favorites.

The Dwight/Ron comparison is definitely apt. Dwight is phenomenal when used sparingly and given the occasional B-story...but when he's asked to handle a main story he just becomes an unlikeable ass instead of an awkward power-hungry dweeb.

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I think I just mistook your comment about the lead often being your least favorite to mean you often didn't like the lead. I gotcha now.

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I woke up this morning to the surprise of my fiancee telling me that she cooked me a huge breakfast of sausage, pancakes and....wait for it.....

Bacon!!!!
she's a keeper

my wife brought me mcdonalds breakfast. Its not bacon, but it beats cereal again

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my wife brought me mcdonalds breakfast. Its not bacon, but it beats cereal again
Yes my girl is a keeper for sure.

Whatdja have at Mcdonald's dude??? Sausage McMuffin and hashbrowns?

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