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10-07-2012, 02:18 PM
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This is the reason why we had the staal = underrated thread a while back
Yeah I read through that thread, disagreed with the majority of what was said and stayed out of it

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10-07-2012, 03:51 PM
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Never liked Drury. Markus Naslund at least had the decency to retire when he knew his game was taking a plunge.

True about Messier--his second coming sucked. He wasn't half the player he was before going to Vancouver.

Think a lot of people overrated Rozsival. He was a 40 point a season guy playing on every pwp even when he had a strong pwp (Nylander-Jagr-Straka). He was decent defensively enough to be a top 4 guy. Paul Mara was another way overrated defenseman.

Henrik is the best goalie the Rangers have ever had.

McDonagh is going to be our best d-man.

I liked Dubinsky more than Anisimov.

Bobby Orr is the best player that I've ever seen.

Kreider's going to be a star.

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10-07-2012, 07:18 PM
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I hate Messier. Especially for leaving to Vancouver and when he came back he was washed up and still thought he was '94 Mess. Even in Theo Fleury's book he mentioned Messier refused to not be played on the first units for PP and PK even when he was too old to be effective. Also all the rumors about him running Zubov, Norstrom, Kovalev and others out of town to bring in his old buddies.

Maybe the worst post I've seen on the Ranger board.

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10-07-2012, 10:31 PM
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Never liked Drury. Markus Naslund at least had the decency to retire when he knew his game was taking a plunge.

True about Messier--his second coming sucked. He wasn't half the player he was before going to Vancouver.

Think a lot of people overrated Rozsival. He was a 40 point a season guy playing on every pwp even when he had a strong pwp (Nylander-Jagr-Straka). He was decent defensively enough to be a top 4 guy. Paul Mara was another way overrated defenseman.

Henrik is the best goalie the Rangers have ever had.

McDonagh is going to be our best d-man.

I liked Dubinsky more than Anisimov.

Bobby Orr is the best player that I've ever seen.

Kreider's going to be a star.
Most Ranger fans think that.

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10-08-2012, 12:22 AM
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mcdonagh > girardi >>> delzotto >= staal

there i said it
And you said it awfully wrong in the reality of things.

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10-08-2012, 12:37 AM
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i thought columbus won the trade.


yep.

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10-08-2012, 01:56 AM
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I uhh... I miss drury sometimes.

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i thought columbus won the trade.


yep.
i almost agree...

they took less risk(shorter contracts- less money). they got two serviceable, young-ish forwards, and a young 2-way rookie defenseman w/ 2nd pairing potential. if lockout ends up being a full year we could end up losing a legit 1st pick as well-- and we may be forced to give up a young talent to make cap with both nash and gabby on the payroll and mcdonagh/stepan/hagelin's new salaries(not to mention mdz's).

there's a big chance (imo) that both anisimov and dubinsky could perform top tier in the low-pressure environment of columbus. they are both heady players. dubi performs better when he has to score goals. then prospal being over there helps them out. both of them are also strong defensively.

we got a player who scored all of 30(60 pts) goals last season and is a 7.8 million cap hit in exchange for ~35-40 collective goals (~100 pts) and 2 players for ~6m(plus erixon and a 1st round pick that if we lose the season could be horrendous)

but... of course nash has the skill to go 40g/40a as a single roster player w/ a true center. so who knows.

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10-08-2012, 02:33 AM
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i thought columbus won the trade.


yep.
Absolutely. You're already in a losing position when you have a 7.8m 60pt. one-dimensional forward on your roster, let alone exchange a top defenseman prospect and two great 3rd line players with upside in return.

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10-08-2012, 03:15 AM
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disliked dubinsky bigtime after his holdout....terribly overrated
callahan is somewhat overrated and always escapes criticism
gaborik is always a scapegoat healthy or injured
staal is the teams best dman

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10-08-2012, 08:37 AM
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Most Ranger fans think that.
Had to say it anyway.

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10-08-2012, 10:21 AM
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there's a big chance (imo) that both anisimov and dubinsky could perform top tier in the low-pressure environment of columbus. they are both heady players..
Dubinsky and Anisimov are heady players? What???

These are 2 guys that just never understood the type of player they were and should be, especially Dubinsky.

Anisimov was a bit more heady, but hes a soft player. Dubinsky cant be classified as anything but a low IQ hockey player.

As for the trade itself, I think it'll wind up being a win for both teams. Columbus needed bodies and the Rangers needed another dynamic top line player. Classic quantity for quality trade.

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10-08-2012, 10:28 AM
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Dubinsky and Anisimov are heady players? What???
Wondering the exact same thing.

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10-08-2012, 10:40 AM
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Messier gets far too much credit for 94'. Leetch, Kovalev, Richter, Kovalev were the reasons we won. Messier was no better than 4th.

I agree on Callahan. A tad overrated and never gets any blame

Gaborik has been our best forward and it's not even close

Nash will be a star and supplant Gaborik as our best forward.

Kreider will be a perennial 25-30 goal scorer (which is fine) but will not be the player most fans think he is going to be.

I loved watching Carey wilson and walt Poddubny in the offensive zone

I liked Luc Robataille . Never saw a player have worse luck in a season than he did that year.

It's pretty idiotic when fans yell "shoot" non stop during every power play.

Avery has not been an NHL calibre player in 3-4 years. The man love for him is baffling to me.

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10-08-2012, 10:59 AM
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I liked Nik Zherdev, Marcel Hossa and Chris Drury.

I think the 04-05 lockout and the salary cap finally put this team on the right path by putting a leash on Sather.

I think McIlrath was a good pick and will be a very effective player who will likely wear a letter at some point in his career.

I'm not enamored with the way Miller is coming along. I think his decision to go the CHL route was a poor one.

I think Bickel is just fine as a #7 D-man.

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Messier gets far too much credit for 94'. Leetch, Kovalev, Richter, Kovalev were the reasons we won. Messier was no better than 4th.

I agree on Callahan. A tad overrated and never gets any blame

Gaborik has been our best forward and it's not even close

Nash will be a star and supplant Gaborik as our best forward.

Kreider will be a perennial 25-30 goal scorer (which is fine) but will not be the player most fans think he is going to be.

I loved watching Carey wilson and walt Poddubny in the offensive zone

I liked Luc Robataille . Never saw a player have worse luck in a season than he did that year.

It's pretty idiotic when fans yell "shoot" non stop during every power play.

Avery has not been an NHL calibre player in 3-4 years. The man love for him is baffling to me.
I agree with all of your posts except the first one.

Leetch had a monster playoff, and he was awarded with the Conn Smythe, so I don't think he was under appreciated.

Richter did stand on his head, and I'm sure real fans will remember "the save."

Kovalev was great that year as a young player.

Now, Messier was the messiah! Without him, there is no way we came out of the devils series, and except for the debate over Noonan touching the game winner in game 7 of the finals, I still think Messier got that one. Also, Messier had 4 less points than Leetch, so it's not as if he was given a free ride for being Captain.

In conclusion, you could of had the same level of talent as we did in the finals like as did the Kings with Gretzky the previous year, but without Messier the curse would not have been broken.

Even with all the B.S. in his second stint, he deserves all the praise he's received for 1994.

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Messier gets far too much credit for 94'. Leetch, Kovalev, Richter, Kovalev were the reasons we won. Messier was no better than 4th.
You're opinion is your opinion, but this is just not true. Read Losing the Edge. It tells you just how important Messier was a buffer between an insane Keenan and the rest of the team.

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10-08-2012, 11:09 AM
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Take away any of the individuals listed there and we would not have won in '94.

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You're opinion is your opinion, but this is just not true. Read Losing the Edge. It tells you just how important Messier was a buffer between an insane Keenan and the rest of the team.
Messier's contribution off the ice cannot be understated. On the ice, his performance in game 6 against the Devils is unlike anything I've ever seen in pro sports. I dont think anyone else on the roster was capable of such a signature game in such a big moment.

Unfortunately, his contribution off the ice became nothing short of toxic during his 2nd stint here. Tough to call the shots when you dont have enough to back it up anymore.

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Messier's contribution off the ice cannot be understated. On the ice, his performance in game 6 against the Devils is unlike anything I've ever seen in pro sports. I dont think anyone else on the roster was capable of such a signature game in such a big moment.

Unfortunately, his contribution off the ice became nothing short of toxic during his 2nd stint here. Tough to call the shots when you dont have enough to back it up anymore.
I'm only taking about his first stint.

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Take away any of the individuals listed there and we would not have won in '94.
I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise.

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10-08-2012, 01:03 PM
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Brian Leetch was the best Ranger I've watched in my lifetime. (1989-current)

Tom Poti's a ****ing Nerd.

Kovalev had more skill and talent than any skater in the history of our sport. Including Gretzky, Mario, Orr, etc.

Watching hockey hasn't been the same since John Davidson left the booth.

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- Boyle is one of the best bottom-6 players in the league.

- Dubinsky has always been an overrated, overplayed third line player.

- Anton Stralman is a legit 20 minute per night defenseman

- I loved Markus Naslund and Nik Zherdev

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Richter/Brodeur matchup in '94 was the best goaltending I've watched to this date.

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- Boyle is one of the best bottom-6 players in the league.

- Dubinsky has always been an overrated, overplayed third line player.

- Anton Stralman is a legit 20 minute per night defenseman

- I loved Markus Naslund and Nik Zherdev
Disagree about Boyle. There are glimpses where I ask myself if he's even a third-liner.

Disagree about Dubinsky. 1 mediocre season doesn't make him a third-liner.

Disagree about Stralman. He was our most underrated player last year, but 20min a night isn't a best case scenario for him.

I hated Naslund and Zherdev. Loved Naslund in his prime, but he was done when he came here. Zherdev I never liked, at all.

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