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10-08-2012, 07:05 PM
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Why isn't nhl live on the nhl network Is it because of the lockout?
Not sure if that show runs during pre-season?
Not much to talk about though, really.

Very disappointing news about the next 2 meetings only having non-economic topics being discussed. Hopefully thats just cover for "were actually trying to solve this thing and move forward" but i doubt it.

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So where's this mediator they were supposed to be using now? If you can't figure it out, someone has to do it for you.
In the interviews I posted both were asked about a mediator and both said they did not think they needed one.

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10-08-2012, 09:09 PM
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In the interviews I posted both were asked about a mediator and both said they did not think they needed one.
Oh no of course not...

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I cannot believe that I suckered myself into it. With all of the momentum that appeared to be building, I felt optimistic about how things were going. So imagine my surprise when I go onto TSN tonight and see the headline "NHL talks not expected to cover economics or system issues".

This is beginning to get frustrating for me (at last)..

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10-09-2012, 02:14 PM
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*sigh*

http://m.thestar.com/sports/hockey/n...ith-salary-cap

Hey Sid, stop waiting. Sign overseas, my man.

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*sigh*

http://m.thestar.com/sports/hockey/n...ith-salary-cap

Hey Sid, stop waiting. Sign overseas, my man.
After reading those quotes from Fehr, I am leaning toward the season being done. I know some of that is negotiating tactics, but throwing out statements about the players not liking the salary cap does absolutely no good. That will unite and piss off the owners.

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10-09-2012, 02:42 PM
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After reading those quotes from Fehr, I am leaning toward the season being done. I know some of that is negotiating tactics, but throwing out statements about the players not liking the salary cap does absolutely no good. That will unite and piss off the owners.
quotes by fehr espousing the virtues of the free market system in mlb and nhlers not liking the salary cap push me more and more into the owners' corner.

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10-09-2012, 02:55 PM
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I'd rather watch the NBA than the NHL with no salary cap. The owners can wait this one out as long as they have to if that's Fehr's plan. It's pretty scary to hear whenever a player is interviewed and asked about the NFL and NBA's revenue share being close to 50/50, they'll quickly point to the MLB's system.

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10-09-2012, 02:58 PM
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quotes by fehr espousing the virtues of the free market system in mlb and nhlers not liking the salary cap push me more and more into the owners' corner.
Yup me too.

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10-09-2012, 03:07 PM
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I'd rather the league start completely over again with amateur players if the other choice is removing the salary cap.

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i understand him trying to use "the cap will come back" as a bargaining chip.

The bottom line is that if the season is lost, everyone loses. no way that any changes in terms will make losing the season profitable

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I'd rather the league start completely over again with amateur players if the other choice is removing the salary cap.
I think that is a more likely outcome than the owners agreeing to a deal without a salary cap.

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All I can say is this better be a negotiating tactic cause if this was the PA's plan all along to gear up the players to lose a season to fight the cap...

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All I can say is this better be a negotiating tactic cause if this was the PA's plan all along to gear up the players to lose a season to fight the cap...
Even if it is a negotiating tactic, I can't imagine it's a very good one. I feel like it's just going to piss off the owners even more and they will be hell bent on getting what they want and the season is lost.

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10-09-2012, 04:04 PM
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Yah removing the cap is a stupid idea, even to float as a tactic. This is the part of Fehr's process I don't like (in any sport). He's right in that other interview that players should not have to foot the bill for ill-conceived franchises (Bettman) that are failing under business terms that were set 100% by the owners last CBA, and described as "the solution". But not having a cap is just as dumb and just as divisive.

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Even if it is a negotiating tactic, I can't imagine it's a very good one. I feel like it's just going to piss off the owners even more and they will be hell bent on getting what they want and the season is lost.

I think he's trying to sell the players rainbows and sunshine talking about how MLB is at labor peace while last summer you had the NFL & NBA lockouts. As long as he can convince players to stay united and not make them realize losing another season and battling the cap is like driving over a cliff, then who needs all the details about how successful those leagues are and how the MLB got to their labor peace after several strikes and lockouts.

I also find it funny how Fehr is saying players are getting annoyed with the salary cap when just some time ago it was "we'll play under the old CBA!!!".


PS, if the PA really decides to do this, the owners will just bring out another card up thier sleeve in guaranteed contacts. Considering concussions in the NHL, I'm sure the PA wouldn't mind that one bit...


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The big "4" met for 50 minutes today. /sigh

Brooks Orpik is sitting in with the larger group today discussing things like better ice conditions.

Nothing to see here, move along.

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10-11-2012, 08:21 AM
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I have a hard time believing Boyle is so in tune with what the owners are thinking and believe his comments are nothing but PR spin. The only people I've heard from that say the owners are cracking are from the PA side of things.


I do not recall who's tweet it was, maybe Bob McKenzie but someone said a player told him they believe only 8 owners were hardliners on the lockout, but a source on the NHL side told him it was opposite. Even Walsh right now is spouting off how he has "facts" on only 8-10 owners who supposedly oppose the lockout.




And for what it is worth, both Bettman & Fehr spoke to the Globe & Mail today:

Fehr:

Bettman


With Bettman, Daly, (who have to also deal with sponsors) and Alzner having all talked about compromise today, it seems both sides know what the end is, but want the other side to bite the bullet and do it first.
BTW, very interesting ready. Of crouse neither of them will say everything they know, but Fehr seems to dodge a lot of questions.

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10-11-2012, 11:01 AM
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These guys are ridiculous. They were together nearly the whole day yesterday, and yet they continue talking about healthy and safety. Pretty much dragging out stuff that should take 3 hours and not 3 days worth of negotiation (overall), to see who blinks first and brings up the economics. Dickheads.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407184

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Screw'em, I'll be fishing, but I won't be losing any money or sleep over this.


Bye, bye.

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NHL says there were no discussions Wed on main economics, while the union (S.Fehr) says there was. It doesn't have to be this hard.
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/sta...57277248917504

Now it's just getting comical...

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I want to scream at any person who brings up the term "fair deal".

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Since you're a member of the female persuasion you should also feel free to kick them in the balls, should you see the Fehr brothers, Bettman or Daly hanging around in NY.

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Since you're a member of the female persuasion you should also feel free to kick them in the balls, should you see the Fehr brothers, Bettman or Daly hanging around in NY.
If I wanted the risk of going to jail, it would be for much more.

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