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10-09-2012, 04:41 PM
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I'd rather him in Sweden, or Switzerland with Nash. But the KHL will provide some good hockey for Mac truck. Just stay safe kiddo.

I'm surprised he didn't convince Step to head there with him, I wonder how they're going to be without each other for a little bit

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10-09-2012, 04:41 PM
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Right, besides the Russian investigators sighting blood and urine samples confirming that he was. Must just be a huge conspiracy.

Its a tragedy the kid died. Its a tragedy that he was allowed to play professional hockey with a serious heart condition. These things are probably all connected and likely why he did turn to blood doping.

But that doesnt mean you're entitled to your own facts on this.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...od-doping.html
Yeah there were a lot of articles posted about him doping. But did you read any of the updates that came after? I'm on my phone so I can't post a link, so you'll have to look for yourself. Bottom line is that he was being treated by team doctors for his heart condition. Everything he did was at their direction. You make it sound like he was doing something on his own to get a competitive advantage, and that's just not right or fair.

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I'd much rather him have gone to the SEL, but I'm not gonna complain.

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10-09-2012, 05:51 PM
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Is it safe to assume that all players who sign in Europe have NHL out clauses in the case that the NHL season begins this year?

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10-09-2012, 05:56 PM
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Is it safe to assume that all players who sign in Europe have NHL out clauses in the case that the NHL season begins this year?
Yes. If they don't, it's a big news story. Plus there's a transfer agreement between the KHL and NHL so McDonagh who already had an NHL contract, would have to honor it.

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10-09-2012, 06:14 PM
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Its better than stalling his development by not playing. McD, Kreider, and Hagelin all have hockey to play. Thats a good thing. Stepan needs to find a place to play as well.

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10-09-2012, 06:19 PM
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Oh please.
Mafia as owners, Vityaz Chekhov literally grabbing players and punching them out, airplanes, inept team doctors, etc.

I'd much rather him play in a 3rd tier Spanish hockey league than go to the KHL for their past reputation. Don't like it one bit.

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10-09-2012, 06:27 PM
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Mafia as owners
I don't know if the Mafia actually owns any teams or not, but what players have been harmed by this in the past?

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Vityaz Chekhov literally grabbing players and punching them out
Because that kind of stuff never happens in the NHL...

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airplanes
The chance of getting injured in a plane crash, even in big bad Russia, is negligible

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inept team doctors
Again happens in the NHL too. Ask Eric Lindros or the family of Derek Boogaard.

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Again happens in the NHL too. Ask Eric Lindros or the family of Derek Boogaard.
This is not even comparable. There are few doctors in the world at the cutting edge of concussion treatments, it just isn't developed. The issue with the medical care in the KHL is that so much of it is preventable with proper training and funding for appropriate equipment.

Regardless, McDonagh is going. As Fitzy said at the end of the day it is a great league for McD to develop on the ice. Hopefully he gets comfortable opening up his offensive register a bit more.

Let's just also hope when he comes back he remembers how to block shots and play defense for our 2015 Cup chase.

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10-09-2012, 06:54 PM
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I like it. These are world class athletes. Sitting around isn't going to do them any good.

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10-09-2012, 10:10 PM
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Jesus people it's Russia not a WWII battlefield. MacTruck is just that: a truck. He'll be fine over there if this lockout only lasts a couple months.

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10-09-2012, 10:23 PM
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I don't know if the Mafia actually owns any teams or not, but what players have been harmed by this in the past?
Uh. Quite a few.

Oleg Tverdovsky's parents were kidnapped, Roman Lyashenko died under mysterious circumstances, Mogilny was nearly extorted by a Russian mobster, Alexei Zhitnik was beaten up in the US due to not paying his dues, etc.

There are likely a number of other smaller name players out there who simply have flown under the radar.

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10-09-2012, 10:37 PM
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I don't know if the Mafia actually owns any teams or not, but what players have been harmed by this in the past?

http://www.playthegame.org/news/deta...ckey-1071.html

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Because that kind of stuff never happens in the NHL...
Not to the extent Vityaz gets away with. Their owner is a boxer I believe. They are the worst team in the league I believe and their sole purpose is to attract fans for boxing match on ice. This is the same team that had their captain that famously did a homerun swing on an innocent player.

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The chance of getting injured in a plane crash, even in big bad Russia, is negligible
Obviously. Even so, look at past pedigree. This is something that happened only last yr.

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Again happens in the NHL too. Ask Eric Lindros or the family of Derek Boogaard.
Don't see anything wrong with Lindros. He may not live longer because of his head problems, but that was his choice with his brutal style of play. Hardly comparable. As for Boogaard, I don't think NHL doctors played a large part in his offseason pill-taking.

Cherapanov? I'm still overly bitter about that. Can't believe the time it took to get the local ambulance. I have never been more devastated following hockey. Makes me get all depressed thinking about it.

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10-09-2012, 11:19 PM
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I don't want the guys in the KHL. Its...subpar safety wise. Much rather have them in the SEL or Liga... safer

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10-09-2012, 11:41 PM
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Yeah there were a lot of articles posted about him doping. But did you read any of the updates that came after? I'm on my phone so I can't post a link, so you'll have to look for yourself. Bottom line is that he was being treated by team doctors for his heart condition. Everything he did was at their direction. You make it sound like he was doing something on his own to get a competitive advantage, and that's just not right or fair.
yeah, thats how i remember it too....there were those allegations that turned out to be completely unfounded.

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10-09-2012, 11:49 PM
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I don't want the guys in the KHL. Its...subpar safety wise. Much rather have them in the SEL or Liga... safer
Most European leagues have a limit on the number of foreign players allowed. Unless a North American player holds dual-citizenship, most rosters are set with the foreign players they will go with for the season.

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10-10-2012, 12:13 AM
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let's hope he's on one of those teams then

personally i'm glad he's playing somewhere-- especially somewhere i can get streams of.

i'm not too happy that it's the KHL as i agree it's not the 'safest' league there is, but i'm confident that he'll keep his eyes open and in terms of competitiveness the KHL is probably the closest to the NHL so he'll stay in the best possible shape while skating over there. big ice gives him a lot of room to stretch those legs of his, and he'll be developing that offensive game as well as his shot on the bigger surface as well.

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Hagelin had 2 assists in his first game. Nash has 4 goals and 1 assist in 4 games.

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10-10-2012, 08:32 AM
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yeah, thats how i remember it too....there were those allegations that turned out to be completely unfounded.
Ive yet to see one legitimate report that debunks the original report from Russian investigators stating they found evidence of blood doping in Cherepanov's blood and urine samples. This report also went on to chastise the KHL and his team's management for letting him play with a serious heart condition. If someone could post one, I'd greatly appreciate it.

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Ive yet to see one legitimate report that debunks the original report from Russian investigators stating they found evidence of blood doping in Cherepanov's blood and urine samples. This report also went on to chastise the KHL and his team's management for letting him play with a serious heart condition. If someone could post one, I'd greatly appreciate it.
I remember a lot of conflicting information. Some said his doctors knew about it and it was a legitimate treatment, others said everyone was unaware, etc. It's hard to get concrete, reliable information out of that league. I'm not sure we'll ever know if he was truly being treated or if he was in fact doping.

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While the money is very good (more about that later), the KHL will never be taken 100 per cent seriously until there are fewer contract disputes. A few players politely declined to talk to us because they were fighting over money owed to them. Speaking out, they felt, would cost them any chance of settlement.

One player who did agree to talk is John Grahame, still fighting for almost $3 million. You will hear his story on Saturday night. People in the KHL will argue that, so far, Russian courts have ruled against him. However, North Americans who've been there believe Grahame - even the ones who liked being there. That perception will hurt growth.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/ellio...y-country.html

Friedman is a great reporter. The 30 thoughts are also KHL specific.

EDIT: This is from 2 years ago, but I am sure many of the same issues are still prevalent.

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the testing system in place for the NHL is known for being shoddy. if anything as a member of the IIHF the khl has even more strict guidelines (i don't feel like checking). i don't have any doubt he was using to enhance his performance.

multiple people have come out and said doping is a regular thing in the nhl(georges laraque is one).

testing system is allegedly only from training camp til the end of the regular season (according to the 05 cba(?)). basically this means that players are free to dope in the 4 months of the offseason as well as the playoffs to improve their conditioning... i also saw another source state that they only urine test and do not test with WODA's(who called the nhl's anti-doping policies inadequate) guidelines.

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I remember a lot of conflicting information. Some said his doctors knew about it and it was a legitimate treatment, others said everyone was unaware, etc. It's hard to get concrete, reliable information out of that league. I'm not sure we'll ever know if he was truly being treated or if he was in fact doping.
Well based on the conflicting info, one of two things is true:

- He had some serious problems and he shouldn't be playing hockey
- He was blood doping

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10-10-2012, 12:12 PM
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I just wish the defibrillator had been working and the kid had gotten a fair chance. Fabrice Muamba's heart stopped for 45 minutes in a soccer game but because he got the proper care, he pulled through.

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The reason I am against him being in the KHL is definitely for safety reasons. I'd prefer McDonagh to go to an easier league more known for it's safety (such as the Swiss league). All he needs to do is stay in game shape.

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