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10-10-2012, 01:00 AM
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RJ Umberger to Philly

Kind of a high cap hit but he was one of my favorite players when he was with Philly, and there's a lockout so why not.


Erik Gustaffson
Anthony Stolarz
2nd Round Pick


RJ Umberger

Would Philly have to add more?

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10-10-2012, 01:09 AM
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Columbus is currently lacking in top-6 forwards. That is their weakest spot. Their strongest suit is in their defensive prospects.

So I don't see them trading away Umberger. Much less for a defensive prospect.

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10-10-2012, 01:11 AM
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I don't see CBJ trading Umberger at all. They need to add guys like him. Not lose them. Especially not for this package. Fills zero needs.

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Maybe Matt Read instead of Gustafsson?

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10-10-2012, 01:51 AM
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Maybe Matt Read instead of Gustafsson?
Something on par with Schenn or Couturier.

He is a very important piece to Columbus.

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10-10-2012, 06:54 AM
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Something on par with Schenn or Couturier.

He is a very important piece to Columbus.
That's silly to even ask for. Then again this trader proposal was doomed from the start. Asking columbus to trade us what their short on and wehave a lot of (forwards), and offering what we don't really have and they don't need in return (defenders).

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10-10-2012, 09:22 AM
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That's silly to even ask for. Then again this trader proposal was doomed from the start. Asking columbus to trade us what their short on and wehave a lot of (forwards), and offering what we don't really have and they don't need in return (defenders).
I wasn't asking for one of them. I was stating what it would take. I could have said he is unavailable but that wouldn't have been true, just the cost would be quite high.

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10-10-2012, 11:04 AM
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I wasn't asking for one of them. I was stating what it would take. I could have said he is unavailable but that wouldn't have been true, just the cost would be quite high.
Then Columbus will not be able to trade him if they think they can get the value of a young blue chip player in return. Umberger is more valuable to them then what he could fetch in a trade, so the proposal in the first place is kind of moot.

They can probably get a B prospect plus a pick that would be a late 1st or later. Not much else though

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10-10-2012, 11:20 AM
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Then Columbus will not be able to trade him if they think they can get the value of a young blue chip player in return. Umberger is more valuable to them then what he could fetch in a trade, so the proposal in the first place is kind of moot.

They can probably get a B prospect plus a pick that would be a late 1st or later. Not much else though
Then we'll keep him.

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Then Columbus will not be able to trade him if they think they can get the value of a young blue chip player in return.
I don't think anyone said they think so, nor do they want to be able to trade him. It's a rather usual situation to find other teams unwilling to pay what would be required for one team to move from what's already an area of need.

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10-10-2012, 11:23 AM
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Philly doesn't even have the cap space to make this deal happen, and that's assuming that the cap will stay as high as it is right now (very unlikely).

They have bigger needs (defence) than another forward, no reason for them to pursue this.

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10-10-2012, 11:31 AM
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Philly doesn't even have the cap space to make this deal happen, and that's assuming that the cap will stay as high as it is right now (very unlikely).
This is false.

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10-10-2012, 12:07 PM
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Columbus should make RJ their next Captain, not trade him.

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Columbus should make RJ their next Captain, not trade him.
There's certainly a reasonable chance that will happen.

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Flyers don't need Umberger. He's a good player, but overpaid for what he offers

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Flyers don't need Umberger. He's a good player, but overpaid for what he offers
First off Philly doesn't need him

Second he isn't worth a blue chip prospect or a top6 player, but also is too important to a team like CBJ who has very limited proven contributors in ther top 6. RJ is a great 2nd/3rd line tweener that has had to step up or the jackets.

With that being said I don't see a trade between these two at all for this particular player. OP offer doesn't help CBJ at all but giving up much more would be silly, maybe a read or a wellwood with a 2nd an a conditional 4th (I know 4ths are silly on these boards but in the real NHL they are actual trade chips go figure) that's the deal I could envision value wise, but again I don't see the point or either team to pull the trigger

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10-10-2012, 02:38 PM
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This is false.
Philly has $3,556,627 in cap space right now

RJ Umberger has a $4.6M cap hit

Neither of the players currently listed in the trade going from Philly to Columbus are going against Philly's cap (according to Cap Geek) which leaves them with just over a $1M shortfall.

Can you please tell me how my statement was false with some actual evidence?

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10-10-2012, 03:15 PM
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Philly has $3,556,627 in cap space right now

RJ Umberger has a $4.6M cap hit

Neither of the players currently listed in the trade going from Philly to Columbus are going against Philly's cap (according to Cap Geek) which leaves them with just over a $1M shortfall.

Can you please tell me how my statement was false with some actual evidence?
Hartnell 4.2 Giroux 3.75 Voracek 4.25
Schenn 3.11 Briere 6.5 Umberger 4.6
Read 900k Couturier 1.375 Simmonds 1.75
Fedetenko 1.75 Talbot 1.75 Wellwood 580K
Rinaldo 544K Shelley 1.1

Timonen 6.3 Schenn 3.6
Coburn 4.5 Meszaros 4
Gervais 825K Grossmann 3.5
Lilja 737K

Bryz 5.666
Leighton 900K

Buyout Bartulis 100K

Payroll without Cushion 66,321,944
Cap Space 6,583,056

Pronger would be on LTIR we could still have him on the roster and have over 1.5 mil in cap space WITHOUT the cushion

Idk where you got the bolded number from but its wrong, either way its not happening. RJ is a Blue Jacket until his contract runs out and even then I could see him resigning until he retires.

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10-10-2012, 03:23 PM
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Hartnell 4.2 Giroux 3.75 Voracek 4.25
Schenn 3.11 Briere 6.5 Umberger 4.6
Read 900k Couturier 1.375 Simmonds 1.75
Fedetenko 1.75 Talbot 1.75 Wellwood 580K
Rinaldo 544K Shelley 1.1

Timonen 6.3 Schenn 3.6
Coburn 4.5 Meszaros 4
Gervais 825K Grossmann 3.5
Lilja 737K

Bryz 5.666
Leighton 900K

Buyout Bartulis 100K

Payroll without Cushion 66,321,944
Cap Space 6,583,056

Pronger would be on LTIR we could still have him on the roster and have over 1.5 mil in cap space WITHOUT the cushion

Idk where you got the bolded number from but its wrong, either way its not happening. RJ is a Blue Jacket until his contract runs out and even then I could see him resigning until he retires.
That's Philly's number at capgeek.

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That's Philly's number at capgeek.
You're right I'm wrong, my numbers are with the cushion I thought I un-clicked the box apparently I did not. Prongers contract does not fit without the cushion, but again he will be on LTIR most likely for the remainder of his career

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First off Philly doesn't need him
I realize we don't necessarily need him (especially with that cap hit), but he was good with the Flyers and if it was for Read + Prospect + 2nd rounder I would definitely consider it. It looks like Columbus values him more though and Philly would have to overpay to get him.

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I realize we don't necessarily need him (especially with that cap hit), but he was good with the Flyers and if it was for Read + Prospect + 2nd rounder I would definitely consider it. It looks like Columbus values him more though and Philly would have to overpay to get him.
Read basically is umberger at less then a 1/4 of the cap hit

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Columbus is currently lacking in top-6 forwards. That is their weakest spot.
So...Voracek would be coming right back?

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So...Voracek would be coming right back?
While I don't think he'd produce or fare as well as Umberger on the team as it's currently constructed... Jake is a fave so sure!

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I think Umberger is a special case in that he is very attached to the state of Ohio, evidenced by the fact that he stayed there to work with OSU during the lockout rather than play overseas. The Jackets need people like him who actually enjoy being a part of the team and create a positive image for the club

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