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10-11-2012, 05:15 PM
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Relocate:

Coyotes to Quebec city,
Blue Jackets to Hamilton.

Expansion:
Markham
Seattle
I don't see the NHL relocating any team into Canada. They would much rather use expansion into Canada to get more expansion fee's.

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10-11-2012, 05:19 PM
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I'll say this-if they DID have a "nudge nudge" agreement in the works for that-and the NHL expands to 32 teams-I would be shocked if they didn't then push for 20 teams in the playoffs that's been rumoured the past few years.
how would a 20 team playoff bracket even work?
4 teams in each conference play a wildcard playoff?


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10-11-2012, 05:23 PM
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how would a 20 team playoff bracket even work?
My best guess is the top 4 would get byes. If they go to 32 teams you could make it 4 divisions of 8 so the 4 division winners get byes. Then either a 3 or 5 game series between the rest or something.

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10-11-2012, 05:27 PM
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Relocate:

Coyotes to Quebec city,
Blue Jackets to Hamilton.

Expansion:
Markham
Seattle
Wow so you think they are going to sell Toronto, Buffalo and Ottawa on not only one more team in Ontario but two. Chances of that happening are slim and none in my opinion.

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10-11-2012, 05:29 PM
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My best guess is the top 4 would get byes. If they go to 32 teams you could make it 4 divisions of 8 so the 4 division winners get byes. Then either a 3 or 5 game series between the rest or something.
in a 20 team playoff with 4 divisions of 8 teams, you can do a straight playoff bracket if you give first in each division a bye of 2 rounds:

2nd vs 5th + 3rd vs 4th

2nd vs 4th

1st vs 2nd

then you end up with 4 divsion champions and play it out from there

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No i don't think as far as i heard that Levin is involved with any of the group.

Hansen supposedly have someone that will be for hockey but we have no idea who it is yet and its not Levin.

Only reason why balmer, and nordstorms have even been named cause they are part of the initial investor group/sonics 2.0
Well he is the name I have heard ESPN did a big story on him and the simple google search gave this in the local papers up there.

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Don Levin, owner of a minor-league hockey team in Chicago, said he has talked to Bellevue officials about building an arena suitable to bring an NHL franchise to the region.
http://seattletimes.com/html/hockey/..._hockey27.html

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10-11-2012, 05:32 PM
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North Dakota has 685,000 people in 70,700 square miles.
Saskatoon would be a better option than North Dakota... and that's sayin' something, because Saskatoon isn't an option at all.

I like the idea of 2 more Canadian teams, but I don't like the idea of expansion. The league is watered down enough. Diluting the talent base even more sounds like a cash grab more than anything. But I guess when the CBA negotiations going as bad as they are, the NHL might need to recoup some money by handing out expansion teams.

Plus the PA would like 60+ additional jobs.

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Blue Jackets have a lease through 2039.
Just because I see it coming next.

Florida Panthers have a lease through 2029 and the building owners have made it clear they would seek legal avenues if they attempt to break the lease. They like having them as their major tenant down there.

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10-11-2012, 05:34 PM
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Always curious is Halifax not an option in a similar way to Saskatoon?

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10-11-2012, 05:37 PM
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I don't see the NHL relocating any team into Canada. They would much rather use expansion into Canada to get more expansion fee's.
What do you think the NHL will do with the Atlanta Thrashers?

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10-11-2012, 05:38 PM
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What do you think the NHL will do with the Atlanta Thrashers?
He is speaking in the present tense

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expansion fees?! Are you really talking about expansion fees?!

The league can't find a buyer for a pretty good Phoenix playoff team - where are they gonna find not one, but TWO more suckers... er I mean owners... that want to join this club?

So now they'd need to find 3 new owners to join this group whose main source of income is currently locked out. Man, it doesn't get any better than this!
I'd bet Bettman has a dozen people wanting a |Toronto franchise. Nobody wanting a Phoenix franchise surprises you?

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10-11-2012, 05:45 PM
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Wow so you think they are going to sell Toronto, Buffalo and Ottawa on not only one more team in Ontario but two. Chances of that happening are slim and none in my opinion.
Hamilton people just can't accept, Buffalo is to dependent on the Niagara hamilton region. The only way they get a team is if Buffalo moves there.

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10-11-2012, 05:48 PM
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expansion fees?! Are you really talking about expansion fees?!

The league can't find a buyer for a pretty good Phoenix playoff team - where are they gonna find not one, but TWO more suckers... er I mean owners... that want to join this club?

So now they'd need to find 3 new owners to join this group whose main source of income is currently locked out. Man, it doesn't get any better than this!

No one wants to won a team in Phoenix and pay for it. Why, because the Phoenix market for hockey is close to nil.

Peladeau offered 240M$ for the Yotes if he could move them to Quebec.

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10-11-2012, 05:50 PM
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Add the following cities:
Atlanta
Hamilton
Houston
Orlando
Portland
Quebec City
Sacramento
San Antonio
San Diego
Seattle

Also expand the playoffs to allow for 32 teams.


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10-11-2012, 05:51 PM
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20 teams in the play-offs would be terrible to organise. 16 is perfect.
Agreed with 32, half the teams would get in. Perfect amount IMO.

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No one wants to won a team in Phoenix and pay for it. Why, because the Phoenix market for hockey is close to nil.

Peladeau offered 240M$ for the Yotes if he could move them to Quebec.
Well I think they move and it was always a tough sell. But putting the team in Glendale is a big part of the problem there. They never should have left downtown if they had any hopes of surviving.

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He is speaking in the present tense
So they would never move a team to Canada... except for the Jets, but now that they did that, they'll never move a team to Canada.

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So they would never move a team to Canada... except for the Jets, but now that they did that, they'll never move a team to Canada.
Well they move teams from Atlanta to Canada, that is all we know.... So when do you think they will try to fail for round 3 in Atlanta because those teams are the only ones that relocate to Canada.

I think they should go the expansion route as well in Canada, bigger buy in fees. IF they decide to move Phoenix to Quebec I won't be bent out of shape. However, they won't get the same buy in fee to go to 32 from a Seattle, Kansas City or Omaha that they are going to get from adding a second Toronto area team and Quebec City.

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if it's by expansion......**** THAT!

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So each year there'd be a 1/32 chance that our favourite team could win a championship. Then every 7-8 years, a season lost to lockout. Sounds great...

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Well they move teams from Atlanta to Canada, that is all we know.... So when do you think they will try to fail for round 3 in Atlanta because those teams are the only ones that relocate to Canada.

I think they should go the expansion route as well in Canada, bigger buy in fees. IF they decide to move Phoenix to Quebec I won't be bent out of shape. However, they won't get the same buy in fee to go to 32 from a Seattle, Kansas City or Omaha that they are going to get from adding a second Toronto area team and Quebec City.
I think expansion in Canada makes more sense too, FWIW. Either keep the Coyotes in Phoenix or get them to Seattle or Houston.

As for Atlanta 3.0... I actually believe it can happen if ASG is out of the way, which is the only reason they were sold off/moved anyway.

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Hamilton & Quebec City will be the Canadian cities that get NHL. teams & Markham won't because quite simplly its to expensive & MLSE. will just plain not allow another team to take root in the GTA. & if they can not have monopoly in southern ontario at very least they will want an monopoly in the GTA. .

Cities that should have NHL. teams
Hamilton
Quebec City
Seattle
Houston

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10-11-2012, 06:31 PM
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I am curious though, why does everyone assume Seattle would be a great hockey market?
I know they are getting a new arena, but I've never seen Seattle as some huge untapped hockey market. They would be pretty far behind the Mariners, Seahawks, NBA team, Huskies.

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I think expansion in Canada makes more sense too, FWIW. Either keep the Coyotes in Phoenix or get them to Seattle or Houston.

As for Atlanta 3.0... I actually believe it can happen if ASG is out of the way, which is the only reason they were sold off/moved anyway.
I believe a lot of people would look down at another attempt of expansion in Atlanta. I believe both times the fans were kinda screwed over... but the third time will not be the charm. Atlanta simply isn't a hockey city, and while there are some loyal fans, there probably will never be enough to support them well.

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