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10-11-2012, 11:52 AM
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10-11-2012, 11:54 AM
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okposo will be there

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10-11-2012, 12:16 PM
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The underrating of Backes in this thread is hysterical. He's going to be one of the three most important forwards on the roster with ease and hold down a major defensive role with Kesler.

The forwards are fine, maybe with JvR, Wheeler and Pacioretty featuring more prominently than they do here, and ideally a more "sexy" second line pivot than Stastny comes through between now and then (a not off-wing Kessel is another minor fix too, I guess).

The D is my biggest issue here, especially not having another top-four defensive RHD. Can Suter/McDonaugh actually play the right side? Because this drastically affects my depth chart (Weber, Girardi and Rafalski are all righties).

If yes:
Suter-McDonaugh playing 30 a night
Yandle-Carlson
Scuderi/Orpik/Gleason/LHDFD-EJ/JJ/Fowler
Byfuglien

If no:
Suter-Carlson
McDonaugh-RHDFD
Yandle-EJ/JJ/Fowler
Byfuglien

With Buffy often playing forward and generally acting as an ace-in-the-hole destructive force, especially against Canada on the PP.

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10-11-2012, 12:21 PM
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stamkos - crosby - nash
perry - giroux - e staal
toews - tavares - bergeron
m richards - spezza - eberle

seabrook - keith
weber - doughty
idk - idk

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would **** on that team
As we have already seen, the U.S. team tends to mesh much better as a group than Canada does. Canada has the massive talent advantage on paper, yet the play on the ice in the last Olympics - taking all factors of the game into account - was almost perfectly even. Each team won a game against the other by (effectively) one goal.

So no, nobody would be destroying anyone else.

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10-11-2012, 12:28 PM
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Time to list my team, again.

Parise-Stastny-Kessel
Ryan-Kesler-Kane
Brown-Pavelski-Callahan
Pacioretty-Backes-Pominville
Oshie

Suter-Yandle
McDonagh-E. Johnson
Orpik-J.Johnson
Carlson

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Miller
Howard
I find this lineup more believable, though I'd swap the defense around to look more like:

Suter-Yandle
McDonagh-Carlson
J.Johnson-E.Johnson
Orpik

I think by that point in his career, Orpik will have slowed down a little bit, and Carlson will have picked up his game to be above both of the Johnsons.

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10-11-2012, 12:46 PM
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Why, when given the option of a 7th defenseman, would anyone leave Byfuglien off their roster? His abilities as a PP bunker buster alone make him more valuable than someone like Fowler or JJ outside of the regular rotation.

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10-11-2012, 12:47 PM
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I like Carlson but unless he has a big time breakout season(entirely possible) I would rather have Byfuglien or JJ.
He's significantly better defensively than both. I'd much rather have Carlson in my top four than either of those liabilities.

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10-11-2012, 12:55 PM
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stamkos - crosby - nash
perry - giroux - e staal
toews - tavares - bergeron
m richards - spezza - eberle

seabrook - keith
weber - doughty
idk - idk

price
fleury

would **** on that team
I like our matchups against Canada especially the roster you just put together

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10-11-2012, 01:00 PM
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Hard to beat the 1998 squad in terms of talent. That edition was basically the who's who of American hockey. The goaltending and maybe the lack of prime, nasty physical shutdown pieces hurts them in this comparison though. Your projected 3rd line just look absolutely nasty to play against.

Kesler ----- Modano
Stastny --- Roenick
Backes ---- Lafontaine
Oshie ----- Weight
Stepan ---- Otto

Kane --------- Hull
Kessel -------- Amonte
Brown -------- Guerin
Callahan ------ Deadmarsh
Pomminville --- Langenbrunner

Ryan ---- LeClair
Parise --- Tkachuk
Kreider
Pacioretti

Suter -------- Chelios
Yandle ------- Leetch
McDonaugh --- D. Hatcher
Fowler ------- Suter
Byfuglien ----- Schneider
Shattenkirk --- K. Hatcher
Scuderi ------ Carney
Johnson ------ Berard

Quick ------- Richter
Schneider --- Vanbiesbrouck
Miller -------- Hebert
The US has the biggest advantage where it matters most and thats in goal. I also prefer my 2 way forwards who can matchup against the high flying forwards of Canada and Russia.

We can do so much better than Pavelski and E.Johnson though IDK why everyone is slotting them in. Hopefully Torts and Burke realize this.


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10-11-2012, 01:41 PM
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He might, but I wouldn't count on it. Right now, he's firmly in the taxi squad.

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10-11-2012, 01:55 PM
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I'd add schneider to the taxi squad as well.

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10-11-2012, 02:18 PM
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As we have already seen, the U.S. team tends to mesh much better as a group than Canada does. Canada has the massive talent advantage on paper, yet the play on the ice in the last Olympics - taking all factors of the game into account - was almost perfectly even. Each team won a game against the other by (effectively) one goal.

So no, nobody would be destroying anyone else.
You put a lot of faith into two hockey games that will have happened four years prior between different teams.

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10-11-2012, 02:20 PM
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Alright i'll try to make a roster:

Kessel- Stasney-parise
Kane-Oshi- Parise
Backas-Kesler-Brown
Callahan- Pavelski- Pacioretty

Suter- Carlsonn
Jack Johnson- Yandel
Shattinkirk- McDonagh

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10-11-2012, 04:13 PM
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You put a lot of faith into two hockey games that will have happened four years prior between different teams.
Man, why are you even in here talking about Canada anyway? Team Canada is my team but its pretty annoying that no matter what the thread is it always has to be about Canada.

Moving on. I think the obsession with Kreider may be a little premature. He may well become quite good, but a couple playoff games could be just a fluke. Guys often play above their head in the playoffs, the real difficult task is carrying that over an 82 game season over and over again.

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10-11-2012, 07:44 PM
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They meshed together better and quicker in vancouver but I mostly think that had to do with the fact that they had great goaltending in front of them while Canada didn't, it allowed them to play loose and go for it when they knew Miller was there to bail them out, it was the exact opposite with Canada, they had to be careful and play nervous for much of the games. That was the difference IMO.

After that, no, they haven't meshed better as teams then Canada overall. Turin they were no better then Canada and considering the talent they had on hand for nagano that was a prime example of the U.S underacheiving and of meshing terribly.

Meshing over the past big time international tournaments over the past 14 years seems to be a wash between those 2 countries.

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As we have already seen, the U.S. team tends to mesh much better as a group than Canada does. Canada has the massive talent advantage on paper, yet the play on the ice in the last Olympics - taking all factors of the game into account - was almost perfectly even. Each team won a game against the other by (effectively) one goal.

So no, nobody would be destroying anyone else.

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10-11-2012, 10:31 PM
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The 1998 American team was much more talented. The forwards were on a different level.
True. The U.S. team of the mid 90's was a (much) better team.

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Man, why are you even in here talking about Canada anyway? Team Canada is my team but its pretty annoying that no matter what the thread is it always has to be about Canada.
Yes. I am guilty of this myself and we have to stop doing that.

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2014 is the year for Team USA to put their best foot forward. By 2018, I believe they will be too old (up front) to win - assuming the pros are in Korea.
In 2014, they have the goaltending and D to bring home gold. In Sochi they will peak.

Having said that...

i) It is on the big ice - not good for the U.S.;
ii) Canada is more talented;
iii) Russia has home ice.

It will be worth staying up to watch the games. May the best team (on paper ) win!


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10-11-2012, 10:34 PM
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They meshed together better and quicker in vancouver but I mostly think that had to do with the fact that they had great goaltending in front of them while Canada didn't, it allowed them to play loose and go for it when they knew Miller was there to bail them out, it was the exact opposite with Canada, they had to be careful and play nervous for much of the games. That was the difference IMO.

After that, no, they haven't meshed better as teams then Canada overall. Turin they were no better then Canada and considering the talent they had on hand for nagano that was a prime example of the U.S underacheiving and of meshing terribly.

Meshing over the past big time international tournaments over the past 14 years seems to be a wash between those 2 countries.
I think this time the US still has the much better goaltending and if the team is formed in the way I had them set up I think our great 2 way forwards can matchup with the high scoring Canada and Russia forwards.

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10-11-2012, 10:39 PM
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I think this time the US still has the much better goaltending and if the team is formed in the way I had them set up I think our great 2 way forwards can matchup with the high scoring Canada and Russia forwards.
Yes, on the small ice, your 2 way forwards might be effective against Canada and the Russia. However, on the big ice, the U.S. may be in trouble.
I would not be surprised to see an all Europe Gold Medal game.


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10-11-2012, 10:49 PM
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I just wish winger Cam Atkinson got more recognition, because he would fit perfectly on the international ice in Sochi with his good skill and speed. I feel he could be a wildcard if the NHL season is somehow salvaged.

If he's not in contention for Sochi but starts producing consistenly, I can see him making the 2018 team in Korea.

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10-11-2012, 11:01 PM
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I just wish winger Cam Atkinson got more recognition, because he would fit perfectly on the international ice in Sochi with his good skill and speed. I feel he could be a wildcard if the NHL season is somehow salvaged.

If he's not in contention for Sochi but starts producing consistenly, I can see him making the 2018 team in Korea.
No offense (my friend) but if Cam Atkinson makes the U.S. team in 2018, you guys in more trouble up front than I thought.

Russia can't produce any D-Men, Canada can't produce any goalies and the U.S. can't produce anyone who can score.
Crazy how all three will be favourites in 2014.

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I think the U.S. will have trouble scoring on the big ice. I would not be surprised to see an all Europe Gold Medal game.
I think the importance of top notch 2 way forwards and forecheckers only goes up on big ice.

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I think the importance of top notch 2 way forwards and forecheckers only goes up on big ice.
Fair enough. However, I am sceptical because I see those type of players struggling at the World Championships every year.
I guess we will have to wait and see.


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Man, why are you even in here talking about Canada anyway? Team Canada is my team but its pretty annoying that no matter what the thread is it always has to be about Canada.
Good point. It's not like the post I quoted was actually about the Canadian team. I will definitely consult with you before my next post, because you are definitely on the ball!

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Parise - Kesler - Kessel
Kane - Oshie - Ryan
Kreider - Stepan - Pacioretty
Callahan - Backes - Brown






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