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10-11-2012, 09:19 PM
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So, how do you explain 60,000 for Husky football and 10,000 for Husky basketball?
Its college sports. They will always do well. I do not consider college sports as a minor league sport.

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10-11-2012, 09:20 PM
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I believe that the NHL is seriously contemplating a two team expansion, but no way that they've already decided which two cities they're going to award franchises to. And, call me crazy, but I just don't see Toronto2 happening.
Seattle and Quebec City have are at the top of the chain, and if there are no relocations in the next couple years they'll get the two expansion teams. If a team does relocate, then the new second choice is up for debate.
Because it is better to have struggling markets that need revenue sharing instead of highly profitable ones that contribute to it?

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I think Seattle is interesting, but a safer bet would probably be Wisconsin. If they locate right you would like have a good group of fans traveling to Chicago / Minnesota for away games too.

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I do not consider college sports minor league sports.
NCAA sports are the SAME THING as the WHL. They are the top producing leagues to the pros.

How do you consider the Huskies different from the T-Birds? It is the same thing, different sport. It indicates what Seattle will support at the major league level and - guess what - it ain't hockey.

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10-11-2012, 09:22 PM
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I believe that the NHL is seriously contemplating a two team expansion, but no way that they've already decided which two cities they're going to award franchises to. And, call me crazy, but I just don't see Toronto2 happening.

Seattle and Quebec City have are at the top of the chain, and if there are no relocations in the next couple years they'll get the two expansion teams. If a team does relocate, then the new second choice is up for debate.
Even if they were thinking of Seattle, that would be at least 4 years from now. Crap that's another 100 million in Phoenix losses from now.

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10-11-2012, 09:26 PM
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How many do they get to Huskie football games?

The WHL is where NHL players are produced, just like the NCAA is for football. If they get 60,000 to Husky football games and 10,000 to Husky baskeball games while getting 4,000 for Thunderbirds hockey, it is very clear where the loyalties lie.

Hockey will get killed in Seattle.
LOL. Yeah, that's a real great gauge you have there.

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10-11-2012, 09:27 PM
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Even if they were thinking of Seattle, that would be at least 4 years from now. Crap that's another 100 million in Phoenix losses from now.
If owner of Seattle team to be doesn't want to lose money in Key Arena then we are 4 years away. But the problem comes down to let say there is no plans for expansion and there is no teams that are need to be relocated than what? That is the one issue i could see happening to Seattle like where Winnipeg was until the thrashers moved up there.

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10-11-2012, 09:40 PM
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And I'll just end Ogopogo's ridiculous thinking right now.

Average attendance combined of Seattle area WHL teams.

8,405
9,203
9,554
10,113
10,211
10,298
10,479
10,507
10,727

And that doesn't include the 10,000 combined that Spokane and Tri-City pull in outside the Seattle Metro Area.

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If owner of Seattle team to be doesn't want to lose money in Key Arena then we are 4 years away. But the problem comes down to let say there is no plans for expansion and there is no teams that are need to be relocated than what? That is the one issue i could see happening to Seattle like where Winnipeg was until the thrashers moved up there.
The general thought is the NHL would not allow a team in Quebec until they had a new arena. Why would they allow a team to play in a much smaller arena in Seattle? I think expansion is in the works and I think the league won't be talking about expanding 4 years from now.

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10-11-2012, 09:47 PM
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The general thought is the NHL would not allow a team in Quebec until they had a new arena. Why would they allow a team to play in a much smaller arena in Seattle? I think expansion is in the works and I think the league won't be talking about expanding 4 years from now.
i mean as a temporary facility while the new one was being built.

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And I'll just end Ogopogo's ridiculous thinking right now.

Average attendance combined of Seattle area WHL teams.

8,405
9,203
9,554
10,113
10,211
10,298
10,479
10,507
10,727

And that doesn't include the 10,000 combined that Spokane and Tri-City pull in outside the Seattle Metro Area.
You are trying to take Everett - a 50km drive north of Seattle - and combine that to make Seattle look like a good hockey market?

Smoke and mirrors.

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i mean as a temporary facility while the new one was being built.
That's what quebec meant as well

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You are trying to take Everett - a 50km drive north of Seattle - and combine that to make Seattle look like a good hockey market?

Smoke and mirrors.
Oh, how silly of me. People can't drive 30 miles from Everett to Seattle to watch the NHL. It has to be people actually in Seattle.

Guess we can't count Kent where the Thunderbirds play either. They're a whole 20 miles from Seattle!

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10-11-2012, 09:52 PM
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Oh, how silly of me. People can't drive 30 miles from Everett to Seattle to watch the NHL. It has to be people actually in Seattle.

Guess we can't count Kent where the Thunderbirds play either. They're a whole 20 miles from Seattle!
Seems people can't drive from one side of Phoenix to the other, you know weeknights traffic, etc.

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Oh, how silly of me. People can't drive 30 miles from Everett to Seattle to watch the NHL. It has to be people actually in Seattle.

Guess we can't count Kent where the Thunderbirds play either. They're a whole 20 miles from Seattle!
Can't forget folks that fly from Alaska to view a sporting event in Seattle or even those that drive 4 hours to and from Seattle to see a sporting event.

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10-11-2012, 09:55 PM
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That's what quebec meant as well
I think thats the million dollar question people want to know. NHL team here while the Sodo Arena is under construction or NHL team after the Sodo arena is open.

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Put a team in Milwaukee, force the Bucks out.

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You are trying to take Everett - a 50km drive north of Seattle - and combine that to make Seattle look like a good hockey market?

Smoke and mirrors.
I live in Surrey like a lot of other Canuck STH's that's 37 km... and I'm close to the highway....

Not to mention Langley and other parts of Metro Vancouver.

Are we not part of Vancouver's hockey market? Just curious...

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Don't read what isn't there.

Fact is, hockey will struggle in Seattle as it does in other non-traditional hockey markets. When there are 6 or 7 options people would rather spend their money on, it is impossible for NHL hockey to be a success in Seattle.
Was Ottawa a "non-traditional hockey market" when they got a team in the 90s? Why not? Because they previously had NHL hockey and never stopped having hockey at some level?

Seattle is America's Ottawa


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NCAA sports are the SAME THING as the WHL. They are the top producing leagues to the pros.

How do you consider the Huskies different from the T-Birds? It is the same thing, different sport.
No. It isn't. Because you don't live with, go to class with, eat with, socialize with, and spend four years of your life 24/7 with a minor league franchise. You do at a University. The connection you have with your university is infinitely deeper than the connection fans have with a pro franchise.

If I had the option to see my alma mater win the Division I Men's Basketball Championship, but my favorite local minor league franchise would be CONTRACTED there wouldn't be a split second hesitation before picking my alma mater.

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Put a team in Milwaukee, force the Bucks out.
The ironically thing about Milwaukee is that they stole our pilots so it would be amusing to see if bucks are the team that ends up being sonics 2.0

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The ironically thing about Milwaukee is that they stole our pilots so it would be amusing to see if bucks are the team that ends up being sonics 2.0
Stole or bought out of bankruptcy?

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I repeat (and expand) the question:

Why wouldn't Seattle call the Canadiens and say "would you be interested in owning an NBA Franchise? 41 more home games in Centre Bell?"

SEA and MON join the NBA, Seattle is "open" as an NHL market for expansion/relocation.

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Stole or bought out of bankruptcy?
Depends on who you talk to. But whats funny is that move ended up benefiting Seattle cause it was just after that we got our MLB team.

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I repeat (and expand) the question:

Why wouldn't Seattle call the Canadiens and say "would you be interested in owning an NBA Franchise? 41 more home games in Centre Bell?"

SEA and MON join the NBA, Seattle is "open" as an NHL market for expansion/relocation.
NBA isn't going to expand though so Seattle is more likely to get a team via relocation. Which team will relocate to Seattle for NBA is rather a bit open.

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Stole or bought out of bankruptcy?
It's stealing when you lose a team, but if you get the team it's because they came from a "failed market"

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