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05-10-2006, 12:02 PM
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If Ottawa goes out in the 2nd round i can see both Redden and Chara not wanting to be with that team.

If they go out it will show once again that u cant win without a good goalie.

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05-10-2006, 12:19 PM
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If Ottawa goes out in the 2nd round i can see both Redden and Chara not wanting to be with that team.

If they go out it will show once again that u cant win without a good goalie.
Hasek might have been the goaltender they needed but he was injured. They had to rely on a rookie, Emery.

You probably thought that Miller was terrific in the second game. But that same Miller was not so terrific in the 7-6 game.

Brodeur hasn't come through for the Devils against Carolina. Does that mean that Lamoriello will not sign Elias?

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Hasek might have been the goaltender they needed but he was injured. They had to rely on a rookie, Emery.

You probably thought that Miller was terrific in the second game. But that same Miller was not so terrific in the 7-6 game.

Brodeur hasn't come through for the Devils against Carolina. Does that mean that Lamoriello will not sign Elias?
Well Redden and Chara might not be interested in coming back to a team that was consider favorite to win the cup for about 3-4 years and that every year they choke...

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05-10-2006, 12:50 PM
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Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
Perezhogin-Plekanec-Ryder
Kostistyn-Ribeiro/UFA-Murray/trade player
Begin-Bonk-Lapierre/trade player

Markov-Komisarek
Souray-Rivet
Bouillon/UFA-Dandenault

Huet
Danis

WILDCARD: Latendresse

What do you think???[/QUOTE]

I really dont like our chances with this line up, I maybe wrong, but i'd rather see Pleks has a dangerous 3rd line center ( a line wich can score almost has much has the second but make its priority at stopping the other team best line) and sign a top 6 veteran with a big heart that we really need.

IMO, there is really something missing in our top 6, and it is called passion

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05-10-2006, 12:51 PM
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Well Redden and Chara might not be interested in coming back to a team that was consider favorite to win the cup for about 3-4 years and that every year they choke...
I understand the Rangers are interested in signing either of them. Redden or Chara might sign with the Rangers, but it would be because they offered more money, not because the Rangers would be favored to win the Cup. The same thing would be true with Toronto or Philadelphia.

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05-10-2006, 01:14 PM
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I think we can try for Samsanov... his speed and skill would work nicely with Koivu and Higgins IMO.

I would really look elsewhere. Do we really need another small forward that disappears when the games get tough?

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05-10-2006, 01:17 PM
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Posted before... but here are the UFA's

Centers

1)Joe Sakic
2)Jason Arnott
3)Marc Savard
4)Doug Weight
5)Jason Allison
6)Eric Lindros
7)Mike Sillinger
8)Jeff Halpern
9)Michael Pecca
10)Steve Rucchin

Wing

1)Patrik Elias
2)Sergei Samsonov
3)Brendan Shananan
4)Teemu Selanne
5)Peter Sykora
6)Martin Straka
7)Jamie Langenbrunner
8)Mark Parrish
9)Anson Carter
10)Peter Bondra

Defense

1)Zdeno Chara
2)Wade Redden
3)Bryan Mccabe
4)Ed Jovanovski
5)Nick Lidstrom
6)Rob Blake
7)Pavel Kubina
8)Kim Johnsson
9)Brenden Witt
10)Jay Mckee
11)Willie Mitchell
12)Tom Poti
13)Hal Gill
14)Ruslan Salei
15)Danny Markov

Goal

1)Cristobal Huet
2)Martin Gerber
3)Dwayne Rolosen
4)Manny Legace
5)John Grahame
6)Curtis Joseph

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It's not a suggestion, but I was wondering if some people here saw Brendan Shanahan play this year regularly? My question really is : is he playing like a 37 years old player? I know he had a good season with 81 pts and 40 goal, but is this more the result of playing in Detroit with Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, etc? I'm just wondering if he could be a good fit for our young team, lacking big players with leadership like him.

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05-10-2006, 01:48 PM
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It's not a suggestion, but I was wondering if some people here saw Brendan Shanahan play this year regularly? My question really is : is he playing like a 37 years old player? I know he had a good season with 81 pts and 40 goal, but is this more the result of playing in Detroit with Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, etc? I'm just wondering if he could be a good fit for our young team, lacking big players with leadership like him.
Imo he'd be a great fit, but I don't see him leaving Detroit. He hasn't played like a 37 year old, in that he's not as frail and he can still play physicaly. I think he'd be great on our 2nd or even 1st line and he'd really provide the leadership we may lack.

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05-10-2006, 02:41 PM
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Here's what I think will happen for next year (at least at the beginning):

Higgins-Koivu-Ryder
Kostitsyn-Lang-Kovalev
Perezhogin-Plekanec-Langenbrunner
Begin-Bonk-Murray
Lapierre, Ferland

Markov-Komisarek
Souray-Rivet
Bouillon-Dandenault
Streit

Huet
Danis

Lang and Langenbrunner are interchangeble with a similar player, but those are the roster spots at which I think we should target to improve.

This means we would be trading Zednik, Ribeiro and Aebischer at some point (maybe on draft day or maybe part of a package for one of the two players we are brining in).

I also don't think our D will change much if at all.

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05-10-2006, 02:53 PM
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Higgins-Koivu-Ryder
???-???-Kovalev
Perezhogin-Plekanec-???
Begin-???-Murray

Markov-Komisarek
Souray-Rivet
Bouillon-Dandenault


Huet
???

This is the sure shot in my opinion. Bonk, Zednik, Ribeiro and Abischer are on the bubble and Bulis, Sunstrom and probably Downey and Streit are gone.
The question is:
What will we have in return for Ribs, Zed, Bonk and Abi if we trade them?
Do we let Streit walk away considering he is cheap and a good 7th dman?
Will Danis be ready for the #2 spot if we trade Abi?
How many rookie will be ready to step in?
Will he be tempted to trade Souray for a "real" stud dman?
Will he be willing to spend big bucks on UFA?
Will we be able to retain Huet?

The sure point:
Gainey will try to grab a tough guy like Downey (he did it the last two year, Downey and Langdon).
He will probably look to upgrade at the center.
He will take a close look a the waiver as every year.

Considering the number of question point, I would not trade my job for Gainey's one right now...

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05-11-2006, 12:13 PM
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There's some interesting FA...like some of you already said, we need at least another good veterant to help us down the road...

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05-11-2006, 01:19 PM
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We aren't a 3 dimensional team... Our D is in good shape, and our goaltending looks fine if we re-sign Huet (likely 3 years, $8.5 m... that'll put him around $0.75m a year above Thomas).

Things to look for:

A new scoring line centre. Preferably big and RH, but not neccesarily both. Ribs looks to be the odd man out. Should we expect a big return in a trade for Ribs? No, but we never got one for Theodore, so why would we expect anything significant for Ribs? Ribs played hard this year, but we need some changes up front to spark a more dangerous offense. The easiest way to do that is down the middle... I like Pleks as well, but would prefer him to stay in his current role. No reason to screw with our depth situation.

More RH shots. Only Ryder really qualified for this on our team. It effects the PP very directly, but also come playoff time... you're looking for good shots from specific spots targeting a goalie's weakness... if he's looking at the same shots over and over again, it's easier for the goalie to stop it. Cam Ward was hardly tested blocker side... that's a good aim spot for a RH shot on the left side of the ice. We noticed that Ward's glove hand was phenomenal... look how many times he robbed Ribs.

Guys we can look to move? Ribs, Zednik, Bulis is already gone, so is Sundstrom, Aebischer, and Bonk (salary room more than anything, but I think he'll still be here in training camp). Only Kost do I expect to make the jump, but a guy like Ferland might get a look (RH shot, isn't he, can't remember), while Lappy will be a good callup. Downey might come back, you never know with enforcers.

Who are guys I'd target? Arnott's name keeps popping up on Habs boards, but I'm still a little leery on him... he's very inconsistent and sometimes lazy. Plus, people seem to think Arnott was a Gainey acquisition in Dallas... wasn't Gainey fired just before that trade? Anyways, I don't see a huge Gainey/Arnott connection and only a small Carbo one (he was assistant GM for Arnott's Dallas period). Elias will be a huge catch for whoever gets him... he can play centre as well (as can Kovalev, which would be an interesting 2nd option for us). It's good to have creative and versatile forwards. If it's grit and versatility as well as good secondary scoring options... Mike Sillinger always finds a fit with a team.

Wingers... any team that doesn't at least contact Elias' agent if he does go UFA should fire their GM. So, we should try, but we may lose. So is life. Guys I'd look at beyond Elias? Langenbrunner, a few Buffalo forwards like Afinogenev, Grier, and possibly Dumont (though I think Dumont will be re-signed quickly).. I can't remember if Fernando Pisani shoots right or not. Shean Donavon is another wildcard candidate. Marc Chouinard is a RH centre that might be worth a look as another darkhorse.

We have a good core, we just need to diversify. We aren't that far from the top, believe it or not. One or two forward signings and we could really compete with the best. We've got good coaching, good goaltending, a strong D core (though very Markov reliant), and some speedy forwards with creativity and youth on our side. Let's harness that potential. It can happen quickly.

Another potential change would see us target a big name d-man... if that were to happen, I'd expect Souray to be a rather attractive trade bait option for other teams. He could net us a significant piece to our puzzle in return up front, or some decent futures.

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05-11-2006, 01:29 PM
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I wasn't on the board last week so I guess that I missed a couple of thread. Anyways, since there's nothing on the subject on the first page, I thought that it was a good idea too talk about what we can expect for next year.

Many players will come back next year. We will most likely sign every RFA, and let every UFA go expept Bouillon and Huet.

In front of the net, it's not going to be very hard to get things going. Huet will most likely be back, like he was saying to the media the other day. If it's the case, Aebischer is gone. He can't play 50 games like he wants to with Huet in the team. That mean that Danis will be our back-up, and Halak will be next on the depht chart.

Our defence is a little bit more complicated. Gainey wouldn't mind to sign Bouillon back, but if he wants to sign a pretty good defenceman via free agency, Bouillon might not be back. Francis can't be a 7th defenceman anymore because he's better then that. Everything will depend on if Gainey wants a guy like Redden or Kubina...the other 5 will stay in place. Cote or Streit will complete the team on the blue line.

Up front, we will obvioulsy see some major changes. From our regular, Bulis and Zednik will not be back. One will be gone because he's a UFA, and the other will be traded because he will ask to. After that, Sundstrom and Downie will also be gone. It's hard to know if there will be a change with our 4 centers. We all know that they are all good when they are place in the right role. I wouln't mind to see them all back, but if we can get our hands on a bigger skilled center, Ribeiro will be gone. But don't expect anything big...Gainey would be alright with those 4 centers for another season.

On the wings, it will be really fun to see what will happen. Higgins will hopefully be as good as he was, Ryder should be better because he will be healty, Kovalev is Kovalev..., Perezhogin will hopefully has his break up season, Begin will once again be our sparkplug and Murray will be a good grinder. That's only 6 wingers, and 2 of them can't play on the top 2 lines. Kostitsyn, Lapierre and Ferland are all pretty close from the NHL, but Kost is the only one will offensive potenital, so if he has a good training camp, he will be part of the team. We can't forget Latendresse, who might make the team.

But like I said above, Aebi, Zednik and maybe Ribeiro might be traded, so we have to wonder which kind of value we would have for them. A top 6 winger isn't out of the question for sure. Will we want to move up in the draft??? It might be a solution.

There's also the UFA possibility, but I think that Gainey will wait to get a big name. IMO, our big season will be one of 2007-2008 or 2008-2009.

So IMO, the line-up will look like that:

Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
Perezhogin-Plekanec-Ryder
Kostistyn-Ribeiro/UFA-Murray/trade player
Begin-Bonk-Lapierre/trade player

Markov-Komisarek
Souray-Rivet
Bouillon/UFA-Dandenault

Huet
Danis

WILDCARD: Latendresse

What do you think???

everything looks good except maybe the 2nd and third line C positions. robiero is everything a third line center shouldnt be, and it is iffy weather pleky can score 60 points in a year at this point. I could see gainey shopping for a new middle man in the offseason, with pleks in the 3rd line C role

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I wish I could believe that the D is in good shape. The errors it made in the Carolina series and during the season still haunt me.

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everything looks good except maybe the 2nd and third line C positions. robiero is everything a third line center shouldnt be, and it is iffy weather pleky can score 60 points in a year at this point. I could see gainey shopping for a new middle man in the offseason, with pleks in the 3rd line C role
That line-up was more to put things in perspective...kind of a depht chart after all.

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I wish I could believe that the D is in good shape. The errors it made in the Carolina series and during the season still haunt me.
Our defence is far from bad. Things were better after the olympics break. We might not have the best one, and another top 3 defenceman would make us a better team, but if we go to war with our actual 6 defenceman, we are not bad...

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Here's what I think will happen for next year (at least at the beginning):

Higgins-Koivu-Ryder
Kostitsyn-Lang-Kovalev
Perezhogin-Plekanec-Langenbrunner
Begin-Bonk-Murray
Lapierre, Ferland

Markov-Komisarek
Souray-Rivet
Bouillon-Dandenault
Streit

Huet
Danis

Lang and Langenbrunner are interchangeble with a similar player, but those are the roster spots at which I think we should target to improve.

This means we would be trading Zednik, Ribeiro and Aebischer at some point (maybe on draft day or maybe part of a package for one of the two players we are brining in).

I also don't think our D will change much if at all.
While I like the idea of Langenbrunner, am I the only one concerned about LANG and his inconsistency as a center to Kost and Kovalev. I could see that line giving us highlight goals but also long stretches of misery.

It is clear that Gainey will have to address the issue of getting a center that can play with Kovalev. It makes no sense to be paying Kovalev that kind of money and then not surrounding him with the players that will get you a decent return on that money.

I have seen proposals involving Legwand, Bell, and Arnott. I'm not sure these are the types of centers that Kovalev will thrive with. Who is available that could do the job?

Would another option be to move Kovalev to center and have him play between a Perezhogin and maybe a Lehtinen (who could skate with them and still provide some defensive responsibilities).

Higgins-Koivu-Ryder
Lehtinen-Kovalev-Perezhogin
Pleks-Bonk-???(maybe Kosts or Ribs)
(possibly Lapierre)???-Begin-Murray

Pleks & Bonk / Murray & Begin are you 4 PK specialists. Lapierre and Kosts get eased into the lineup slowly. Lehtinen could be replaced by Kosts once and a while on PP.

Our D while not stellar, can compete. Gainey may decide to tinker with it. He can go in various directions (Mckee, McCabe, Witt, Salei, or if he wanted to make a splash (besides the really BIG veterans) maybe a Kubina).

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