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10-11-2012, 09:37 PM
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NBA isn't going to expand though so Seattle is more likely to get a team via relocation. Which team will relocate to Seattle for NBA is rather a bit open.
Well, the Hornets are off the market.
Memphis (lease and local owner) isn't a candidate.
Milwaukee is owned by a former Wisconsin Senator. You think they're leaving?
Charlotte? Jordan tried to buy a team and MOVE THEM TO Charlotte, he ain't selling them to move.

It's the Kings, who are not going to sell the team (they used to own the Rockets and tried like mad to get back into the NBA business) and the terms of the arena deal with the city probably would not be to their liking.

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10-11-2012, 09:40 PM
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NCAA sports are the SAME THING as the WHL. They are the top producing leagues to the pros.

How do you consider the Huskies different from the T-Birds? It is the same thing, different sport. It indicates what Seattle will support at the major league level and - guess what - it ain't hockey.
NCAA sports, as a brand, is in a whole different league than the WHL.

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10-11-2012, 09:41 PM
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Milwaukee is owned by a former Wisconsin Senator. You think they're leaving?
The owner is 77 and has lost money on the team for years (mostly his fault). I don't expect him to sell but it wouldn't shock me if he did and it wouldn't shock me if he came to an "agreement" to keep the team in Milwaukee and the new owners ended up moving the team. Much like what happened in Seattle.

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10-11-2012, 09:45 PM
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Well, the Hornets are off the market.
Memphis (lease and local owner) isn't a candidate.
Milwaukee is owned by a former Wisconsin Senator. You think they're leaving?
Charlotte? Jordan tried to buy a team and MOVE THEM TO Charlotte, he ain't selling them to move.

It's the Kings, who are not going to sell the team (they used to own the Rockets and tried like mad to get back into the NBA business) and the terms of the arena deal with the city probably would not be to their liking.
Bucks na. I said i would be laughing if the bucks were gonna be sonics 2.0

If the kings are going to be 2.0 the Maloofs have to sell. Per Sodo arena MOU the team can't be any higher than 40% as collateral. Something has to be done regarding the team and I just don't see the Maloofs being in their future. Rather they are sold to someone who wants to keep them there, sold to Hansen or some other city builds an arena for them that doesn't cost them a penny.


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10-11-2012, 09:47 PM
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Bucks na. I said i would be laughing if the bucks were gonna be sonics 2.0

If the kings are going to be 2.0 the Maloofs have to sell. Per Sodo arena MOU the team can't be any higher than 40% as collateral.
The Maloofs don't want to sell. They want a free arena.

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10-11-2012, 09:52 PM
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The Maloofs don't want to sell. They want a free arena.
The Maloofs are saying that they won't sell for leverage on Hansen. NBA told them No on Anaheim. And they have to wait till after the suppose Virgina beach arena is done assuming that happens cause there is no temp facility there.

I see little choice but for the maloofs to sell i just don't think the NBA is going to wait on the maloofs to do something. If Hansen pays maloofs around 450m or more the kings are his.

Hansen knows more than what we think on availability of a NBA team or why else would he be making all those moves he did on the sodo arena plan and the land itself. He is personally backing the 247m in public bonds that is being used for the sodo arena never mind he is willing to be audited on a yearly basis.


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I just noticed this thread now, is the consensus the two teams would be Quebec and Hamilton/Toronto?

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I'm not paying much heed to this only because it seems like a dumb move for the league to leak this information during an ongoing CBA negotiation. In the presence of teams losing money, what kind of message does it send when you want to expand rather than relocate? Make the majority of your 30 teams work before you look to make your league bigger. If this ends up being true and Phoenix isn't dealt with, I'd say dumb move by the league.

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The Maloofs are saying that they won't sell for leverage on Hansen. NBA told them No on Anaheim. And they have to wait till after the suppose Virgina beach arena is done assuming that happens cause there is no temp facility there.

I see little choice but for the maloofs to sell i just don't think the NBA is going to wait on the maloofs.

If Hansen pays maloofs around 450m or more the kings are his.
You're kidding, right? Stern calls the Maloofs "The Boys" still.

Anaheim was standing by. The NBA prefered staying in Sacramento over adding a third team to the LA market. Sacramento put together an arena deal that the NBA approved. Then the Maloofs backed out.

The Mayor of Sacramento has petitioned the NBA to FORCE THE SALE of the Kings. The Maloofs have no interest in selling.

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it's smart if the NHL leaked/made this story up. The PA see's 46 new jobs and might make them move an offer to more of the NHL liking. Plus the expansion fees allow the NHL to make up/fund the phoenix debacle.

Besides GTA and Quebec would bring a higher expansion fee than a houston/Phoenix/KC/etc

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Must want to bring up revenue and profit. I don't think this will actually happen because I don't think there is any way in hell that Toronto allows a second team into their market. Plus, that team would likely have a similar impact to the Islanders in New York. I think that would be a mistake in the long run.

A team in Quebec City makes a lot more sense and I think that they definitely need a team. They're a team that, like Winnipeg, would be a small market, high revenue team that would be extremely beneficial to the NHL. So, rather than Toronto or Hamilton receiving a franchise I think the league would be better served awarding a franchise to either Seattle or Houston than taking existing revenue from Toronto and Buffalo and just move it to a team in Hamilton or a second team in Toronto.

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10-11-2012, 10:13 PM
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You're kidding, right? Stern calls the Maloofs "The Boys" still.

Anaheim was standing by. The NBA prefered staying in Sacramento over adding a third team to the LA market. Sacramento put together an arena deal that the NBA approved. Then the Maloofs backed out.

The Mayor of Sacramento has petitioned the NBA to FORCE THE SALE of the Kings. The Maloofs have no interest in selling.
As soon as King County and Seattle gives Hansen the green light that he can start shopping for a team the NBA imo will change it tune regarding the Kings. Seriously something needs to be done regarding that franchise they can't stay in Sacramento in the arena they are at.

But The kings isn't Seattle's only choice and President Clark (Seattle city council) was told back in may that the Kings aren't the only choice.
Mark Cuban (owner of dallas) said on KJR that there are several teams available but wouldn't say who.

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I just noticed this thread now, is the consensus the two teams would be Quebec and Hamilton/Toronto?
I think it would be Quebec City and Seattle if this is true. Toronto and Buffalo wouldn't allow any teams into either Hamilton or Toronto. If Hamilton got a team it would destroy Buffalo and the support that they receive from Niagara and Toronto area residents who go to Buffalo for cheap games. I just don't think it'll happen, then again Toronto is definitely big enough for a second team, but would the following be large enough to compete with the Maple Leafs? I doubt it.

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10-11-2012, 10:22 PM
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I think it would be Quebec City and Seattle if this is true. Toronto and Buffalo wouldn't allow any teams into either Hamilton or Toronto. If Hamilton got a team it would destroy Buffalo and the support that they receive from Niagara and Toronto area residents who go to Buffalo for cheap games. I just don't think it'll happen, then again Toronto is definitely big enough for a second team, but would the following be large enough to compete with the Maple Leafs? I doubt it.
The only way i see Toronto getting a 2nd team is via expansion thus getting maple leafs and buffalo compensation for Toronto getting a 2nd team.

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Is there any confirmation at all that this is true? And if part of it is true then why wouldn't all of it be true? Once you start questioning part of it, then that brings doubt to all of it. However, if there truly is consideration for Expansion, it does seem more likely that it would be Seattle and Quebec City. But then, has the Phoenix situation been resolved? Perhaps Seattle gets a team via Phoenix.

I'll believe it when we hear it from more than a media source or a social-networking source. Not that I don't believe that Expansion is going to happen, but I don't suspect it to happen until at least about 2015.

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Is there any confirmation at all that this is true? And if part of it is true then why wouldn't all of it be true? Once you start questioning part of it, then that brings doubt to all of it. However, if there truly is consideration for Expansion, it does seem more likely that it would be Seattle and Quebec City. But then, has the Phoenix situation been resolved? Perhaps Seattle gets a team via Phoenix.
I always had speculated that they'll save expansion for markets that they league knows will bring in a high expansion fee and leave relocation for smaller markets that don't bring such a high expansion fee.

The only other choice is Seattle and Quebec gets either coyotes or Islanders and that assuming the islanders are leaving the new york market.

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Put a team in Milwaukee, force the Bucks out.
As much as I would love it as someone who can literally walk to the Bradley Center and attends a lot of AHL Admirals games. I don't think Milwaukee is a viable NHL option. They have studied it extensively and come up with that assessment time and again.

The Bradley Center is an aging facility, the Bucks are already making a stink about that. The real hotbeds of hockey in the state of Wisconsin are central and north. Dropping a team in Madison doesn't make sense because they support the Badgers much more than whatever dropped there. At least that is my opinion.

It makes sense to outsiders and you can bet I would be thrilled to go to NHL games. I just don't think it is a wise move, both Milwaukee and Madison are really limited markets.

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I just don't think it is a wise move, both Milwaukee and Madison are really limited markets.
Together they are strong however. Along with the Fox Valley and Green Bay.

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Together they are strong however. Along with the Fox Valley and Green Bay.
If they were a little closer, I could see it. I just think they have three pretty good markets but all of them fail on studies about it for a reason. They just aren't quite enough on their own. Unlike the Packers and 8 dates, I don't see it working. Like I said I would absolutely support it, I just think the NHL has better options when I am being totally honest.

On the plus side they wouldn't be teaching people about the game. Die-hard hockey people are in place, but enough? I am not sure.

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I was listening to the same show as the OP.


What he forgot to mention was how repeatedly the hosts, Tim and Sid, said this was SPECULATION.

There was SPECULATION that with a new CBA the league would look into expanding into QUE and TOR. Buy the THN OCt 29 to find out more.

lmao

There is Speculation that the League MIGHT look into expanding into QUE and TOR.

OH and buy my magazine.

Just smoke and mirrors folks.

Just trying to increase sales for THN.

Move along nothing to see here.

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If they were a little closer, I could see it. I just think they have three pretty good markets but all of them fail on studies about it for a reason. They just aren't quite enough on their own. Unlike the Packers and 8 dates, I don't see it working. Like I said I would absolutely support it, I just think the NHL has better options when I am being totally honest.

On the plus side they wouldn't be teaching people about the game. Die-hard hockey people are in place, but enough? I am not sure.
I agree better markets are there. I think QC, Toronto 2, Hamilton, Seattle and Houston are all better markets, I'm just saying if someone was interested in owning a team, they could make it work.

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Oh, how silly of me. People can't drive 30 miles from Everett to Seattle to watch the NHL. It has to be people actually in Seattle.

Guess we can't count Kent where the Thunderbirds play either. They're a whole 20 miles from Seattle!
To watch hockey, most Americans won't drive that far. To watch football, they will walk 20 miles over broken glass with bare feet.

We are talking hockey here not the NBA. It will be funny to watch one night the Sonics sell out, the next night the Seattle Coyotes are half empty.

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Was Ottawa a "non-traditional hockey market" when they got a team in the 90s? Why not? Because they previously had NHL hockey and never stopped having hockey at some level?

Seattle is America's Ottawa




No. It isn't. Because you don't live with, go to class with, eat with, socialize with, and spend four years of your life 24/7 with a minor league franchise. You do at a University. The connection you have with your university is infinitely deeper than the connection fans have with a pro franchise.

If I had the option to see my alma mater win the Division I Men's Basketball Championship, but my favorite local minor league franchise would be CONTRACTED there wouldn't be a split second hesitation before picking my alma mater.
Ottawa is a SIGNIFICANTLY better hockey market than Seattle. That comparison is simply not accurate.

And, you are making my point - Husky football and basketball will be ahead of NHL hockey in Seattle along with the Sonics, Seahawks, Mariners and Sounders.

Very hard to be successful when you are #7 in a market.

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Ottawa is a SIGNIFICANTLY better hockey market than Seattle. That comparison is simply not accurate.

And, you are making my point - Husky football and basketball will be ahead of NHL hockey in Seattle along with the Sonics, Seahawks, Mariners and Sounders.

Very hard to be successful when you are #7 in a market.
All seven games of Huskies football? And the 16 home games of of Huskies basketball?
The Mariners and Sounders (who average 33,000 fans) play in the summer.

What makes it so hard in Seattle when the exact same thing occurs in Minnesota, Boston, Denver, Detroit, Chicago, New York, Washington, and Philadelphia?

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To watch hockey, most Americans won't drive that far.
No offense, but you're full of ****.

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