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10-11-2012, 04:43 PM
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Coburn aside, with Pronger and Mezaros out, who are the other defenders that would be filling a top four role on the Flyers? And more specifically, who would be available for an upgrade trade?
Kimmo Timonen
Nicklas Grossmann

Then someone out of Luke Schenn, Andreas Lilja, Erik Gustafsson, Marc-Andre Bourdon, Brandon Manning and Bruno Gervais.

Who's available? I have no idea. The Flyers really don't have too many whipping boys anymore now that they don't have Jeff Carter, JvR or Matt Carle.

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10-11-2012, 05:09 PM
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Because he's better(a year removed from Vezina nomination) and cheaper?
Bryz was nominated a year earlier and is only $300k cheaper. The big difference is that Philadelphia don't have Schneider bearing down on Bryz. The entire world knows that the 'nucks want rid.

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10-11-2012, 05:15 PM
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Kimmo Timonen
Nicklas Grossmann

Then someone out of Luke Schenn, Andreas Lilja, Erik Gustafsson, Marc-Andre Bourdon, Brandon Manning and Bruno Gervais.

Who's available? I have no idea. The Flyers really don't have too many whipping boys anymore now that they don't have Jeff Carter, JvR or Matt Carle.
Luke Schenn - whipping boy. He's too slow and no first pass for your very speedy team.

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10-11-2012, 05:31 PM
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I could see the Flyers and Canucks pulling of an Edler deal, but I dont know what the price tag would be.

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10-11-2012, 06:18 PM
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Luke Schenn - whipping boy. He's too slow and no first pass for your very speedy team.
In time, maybe. But as of right now, he's not.

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10-11-2012, 06:57 PM
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Kimmo Timonen
Nicklas Grossmann

Then someone out of Luke Schenn, Andreas Lilja, Erik Gustafsson, Marc-Andre Bourdon, Brandon Manning and Bruno Gervais.

Who's available? I have no idea. The Flyers really don't have too many whipping boys anymore now that they don't have Jeff Carter, JvR or Matt Carle.
Obviously Timmonen would be of interest, but Grossman doesn't really draw my eye at his price tag. Bourdon, Manning and even Gervais are probably worth more to the Flyers then abroad, and Schenn was just acquired so I don't see him moving.

Simmonds and Grossman/Lilja for Edler? Seems a little light.

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Bryz was nominated a year earlier and is only $300k cheaper. The big difference is that Philadelphia don't have Schneider bearing down on Bryz. The entire world knows that the 'nucks want rid.
....nope. The entire world could believe Elvis, Biggy, Kurt Cobain and Hitler faked the moon landing to cover up evidence of Bigfoot's involvement in Jimmy Hoffa's disappearence, that doesn't make it true. We're fine with both, but if a good trade offer comes, you can bet one or the other will be traded.

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I could see the Flyers and Canucks pulling of an Edler deal, but I dont know what the price tag would be.
That's the reply we got...what would the Flyers have to add for Edler. I'm not totally aversed to offers coming in like a lot of Canucks fans, but to make a hole that big, Garrison or another piece must make Edler expendable, or the trade has to fill two of our glaring holes in our forward ranks and/or in our defense sans-Edler.

Bryz(if he returns)-Voracek-Simmonds for Edler-Luongo? +? -?

Edler > Simmonds > Luongo(appairently) > Bryzgalov
Edler > Voracek > Luongo(again, appairently) > Bryzgalov
Does the amount that Edler < Simmonds+Voracek by equal the difference that Luongo > Bryz?

This will probably overthrow the peaceful conversation most of us were happy with, but I don't mean to get anyones blood rushing with it. Let's say I am asking what, with Edler, would loosen both wingers from the Flyers hands?


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10-11-2012, 08:45 PM
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That's the reply we got...what would the Flyers have to add for Edler. I'm not totally aversed to offers coming in like a lot of Canucks fans, but to make a hole that big, Garrison or another piece must make Edler expendable, or the trade has to fill two of our glaring holes in our forward ranks and/or in our defense sans-Edler.

Bryz(if he returns)-Voracek-Simmonds for Edler-Luongo? +? -?

Edler > Simmonds > Luongo(appairently) > Bryzgalov
Edler > Voracek > Luongo(again, appairently) > Bryzgalov
Does the amount that Edler < Simmonds+Voracek by equal the difference that Luongo > Bryz?

This will probably overthrow the peaceful conversation most of us were happy with, but I don't mean to get anyones blood rushing with it. Let's say I am asking what, with Edler, would loosen both wingers from the Flyers hands?
I have to ask, what is the point of the Canucks trading Luongo, their alleged backup goalie with a huge contract, for Bryzgalov, who would be their backup goalie with a huge contract? Even as a Bryz fan, I would obviously do a 1 for 1 swap.

I see Simmonds as close value to Edler. But lets say this season is salvaged, and the Canucks are open to trading Edler. I really cant see them fetching a young, tough, potential 30 goal scorer with a good contract for a their UFA defenseman (Albeit a young, good one)

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10-11-2012, 09:04 PM
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Obviously Timmonen would be of interest, but Grossman doesn't really draw my eye at his price tag. Bourdon, Manning and even Gervais are probably worth more to the Flyers then abroad, and Schenn was just acquired so I don't see him moving.

Simmonds and Grossman/Lilja for Edler? Seems a little light.



....nope. The entire world could believe Elvis, Biggy, Kurt Cobain and Hitler faked the moon landing to cover up evidence of Bigfoot's involvement in Jimmy Hoffa's disappearence, that doesn't make it true. We're fine with both, but if a good trade offer comes, you can bet one or the other will be traded.



That's the reply we got...what would the Flyers have to add for Edler. I'm not totally aversed to offers coming in like a lot of Canucks fans, but to make a hole that big, Garrison or another piece must make Edler expendable, or the trade has to fill two of our glaring holes in our forward ranks and/or in our defense sans-Edler.

Bryz(if he returns)-Voracek-Simmonds for Edler-Luongo? +? -?

Edler > Simmonds > Luongo(appairently) > Bryzgalov
Edler > Voracek > Luongo(again, appairently) > Bryzgalov
Does the amount that Edler < Simmonds+Voracek by equal the difference that Luongo > Bryz?

This will probably overthrow the peaceful conversation most of us were happy with, but I don't mean to get anyones blood rushing with it. Let's say I am asking what, with Edler, would loosen both wingers from the Flyers hands?
So you're saying Luongo + Edler for Voracek + Simmonds + Bryz?

I'd rather it be both Schenns instead of Voracek+Simmonds, because at least that way we'll get a replacement D who can hopefully find chemistry with Garrison(and also plays RD) as well as a replacement C for Kesler. Although I'm not sure which pair has more value to Philly.

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10-11-2012, 09:25 PM
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Aside from the value of that deal (which I think is off), some kind of offensive piece would have to be coming back to philly if they were going to move both Simmonds and Voracek. With JVR and Jagr gone, the Flyers don't have the depth to be moving 2 top 6 players.

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10-11-2012, 09:31 PM
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Aside from the value of that deal (which I think is off), some kind of offensive piece would have to be coming back to philly if they were going to move both Simmonds and Voracek. With JVR and Jagr gone, the Flyers don't have the depth to be moving 2 top 6 players.
Take Raymond for all I care. He's due for a bounce back year but doesn't really fit in anywhere on our top 9 IMO.

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Aside from the value of that deal (which I think is off), some kind of offensive piece would have to be coming back to philly if they were going to move both Simmonds and Voracek. With JVR and Jagr gone, the Flyers don't have the depth to be moving 2 top 6 players.
Would Philly prefer to move both Schenns instead of Voracek + Simmonds?

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I don't understand why Van fans are so persistent about moving Edler. We can't afford to move him and are opening up a bigger gap by trading him than what the return would fill.

And if we were trading him, his value=Richards or Carter. Simmonds straight up isn't close.

But really he shouldn't be traded at all, because we have absolutely no one who can replace him.

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10-12-2012, 12:12 AM
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Would Philly prefer to move both Schenns instead of Voracek + Simmonds?
Not particularly

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I could see the Flyers and Canucks pulling of an Edler deal, but I dont know what the price tag would be.
Matt Read+1st+3rd at the deadline maybe?? I have no clue either, so many variables in this one. Vancouver probably wouldn't trade him if they are in the middle of a playoff push again. They would probably be stuck with trading his rights at the draft if they can't agree. 2nd rounder I would give for him at the draft if push comes to shove.

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Matt Read+1st+3rd at the deadline maybe?? I have no clue either, so many variables in this one. Vancouver probably wouldn't trade him if they are in the middle of a playoff push again. They would probably be stuck with trading his rights at the draft if they can't agree. 2nd rounder I would give for him at the draft if push comes to shove.
I fully expect he re-signs with us though, although on the off chance he doesn't I expect Philly to go hard for him as soon as they can.

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I fully expect he re-signs with us though, although on the off chance he doesn't I expect Philly to go hard for him as soon as they can.
I didn't read through the entire thread and I apologize if this was already mentioned, but why wouldn't they agree to an extension before the CBA expired. Many players were doing it so they could get the best terms available before going into the unknown. I wouldn't be so sure with him resigning if I was Vancouver, it has to be worrisome he didn't re-up before the CBA expiration.

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I didn't read through the entire thread and I apologize if this was already mentioned, but why wouldn't they agree to an extension before the CBA expired. Many players were doing it so they could get the best terms available before going into the unknown. I wouldn't be so sure with him resigning if I was Vancouver, it has to be worrisome he didn't re-up before the CBA expiration.
Management might have wanted to wait to see if UFA age would be pushed later, or Edler might not have wanted his abysmal playoff performance to be the last factor that goes into his extension. It's only speculation, though.

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Exactly. I can't wait to see how Suter and Parise mesh in with the Flyers once the lockout ends. Oh wait...
Once again players who had a specific destination in mind. I never said the Flyers were going to land guys like Suter, Parise, Hamhuis or Doan.. because they didn't really have interest in signing with them in the first place. We heard Suter wouldn't sign in the East weeks before his eventual signing in Minnesota.

Edler's not married, not from anywhere with an NHL team and in this scenario has parted ways with the only NHL team he's ever had dealings with.

Short of some bizarre situation where he's so enamored with the fact that the Red Wings wanted to draft him that he passes up better offers to sign with them nine years later, Edler should be about as "free" a free agent as you get.

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Would Philly prefer to move both Schenns instead of Voracek + Simmonds?
The Flyers wouldnt move Schenn for Weber, so what makes you think they would for Edler?

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The Flyers wouldnt move Schenn for Weber, so what makes you think they would for Edler?
Wow I hope that's not true. I'm a big Schenn fan and all, but I'd take Shea Weber over him and a couple firsts any day.

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The Flyers wouldnt move Schenn for Weber, so what makes you think they would for Edler?
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Because the only reports I remember, as a Flyers fan, is that they were unwilling to give up Schenn AND Couturier AND multiple picks and prospects--yet this keeps getting thrown out on these boards.

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Because the only reports I remember, as a Flyers fan, is that they were unwilling to give up Schenn AND Couturier AND multiple picks and prospects--yet this keeps getting thrown out on these boards.
Heard the same thing.

We proposed Read, Mez, 1st, 2 2nd's and 3rd I think

They countered with Schenn+Couts++

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What about Lu for Bryz + Voracek + 1st?

It's just so crazy...
Bryzgalov has a higher cap hit than Luongo though, I just don't see how that benefits the Canucks.

Assuming Schneider is the #1 with either of those guys, it's swapping one expensive backup for an even more expensive one.

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Because the only reports I remember, as a Flyers fan, is that they were unwilling to give up Schenn AND Couturier AND multiple picks and prospects--yet this keeps getting thrown out on these boards.
It's become somewhere between a myth and a legend.... every time I see it posted, I shake my head at the thought.

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