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10-12-2012, 07:40 AM
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Absolutely ridiculous to mention him with Giroux, who is a top 5 player in the game.

I don't think he is behind.

He is more or less on the same curve as someone like Pacioretty was or Hodgson is.
You do realize that Giroux wasn't expected to be Giroux until about 1 1/2 seasons ago right? It's not exactly sacrilege to say that he's on the same development path, no one said that he would turn out like him.

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Of course he is. If you want to look at it as simply as one should, his major flaws when drafted are still his major flaws today. End of story.

He literally hasn't accomplished anything important in his over 3 years of development.

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A good comparison I use frequently is Brad Marchand (playing style too).

He didn't crack the Bruins roster until he was 22. Obviously the key difference is that he wasn't a top 10 pick but it's comparable as I think Kadri's upside is somewhere around Marchand's.

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IMO He isn't. Not everyone is going to make the NHL at 18, 19 or 20 and dominate like Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin and Stamkos. Everyone was just expecting an immediate impact player when we had the 7th overall pick in 09.

When was the last time we drafted a centre that high in a draft? High expectations were just placed on him because of it. He's doing just fine.
I'd say the only people thinking he's behind in his development would be those who thought he was a shoe-in for the team when he was drafted, or after his post draft season, or after his 1st. AHL season.

Many others have been patient with him, saying that when he's ready he'll get the call and prove himself in the NHL.

If you have a great eye for talent, and lucky, you get a Skinner, otherwise you draft and develop.

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Of course he is. If you want to look at it as simply as one should, his major flaws when drafted are still his major flaws today. End of story.

He literally hasn't accomplished anything important in his over 3 years of development.
you dont know wat development is, do you?

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A good comparison I use frequently is Brad Marchand (playing style too).

He didn't crack the Bruins roster until he was 22. Obviously the key difference is that he wasn't a top 10 pick but it's comparable as I think Kadri's upside is somewhere around Marchand's.
How are Kadri and Marchand at all similar? Beyond the fact that they're both undersized?

Marchand - Moderate amount of skill. VERY physical. Very good two-way player who is good on the PK.

Kadri - High level of skill. Moderately physical. Bad defensively and causes lots of turnovers.

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How do you know how long into a journey you are, as it relates to the entire trip, if you don't know where the finish is?

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you dont know wat development is, do you?
Of course I do, better than you it would seem. LOL

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How are Kadri and Marchand at all similar? Beyond the fact that they're both undersized?

Marchand - Moderate amount of skill. VERY physical. Very good two-way player who is good on the PK.

Kadri - High level of skill. Moderately physical. Bad defensively and causes lots of turnovers.
I see that myth is still going on.

I was going by their tendencies to get under the oppositions skins and draw penalties.

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you dont know wat development is, do you?
Kadri is developing nicely - as a doughnut. He reported to his American league team grossly over weight. What does that say about his character? He is much like Cody Hodgson, selfish.

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Kadri is developing nicely - as a doughnut. He reported to his American league team grossly over weight. What does that say about his character? He is much like Cody Hodgson, selfish.
Who said he was "grossly over-weight"?

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Nazem Kadri was drafted 2 spots behind the much beloved Brayden Schenn, who has played 12 more games and one more point than Kadri. Now there is a bust.

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Nazem Kadri was drafted 2 spots behind the much beloved Brayden Schenn, who has played 12 more games and one more point than Kadri. Now there is a bust.
Schenn is a much better player. He's tough, and plays tough. Kadri does not. A comparison of point production does not take that (toughness) into account. Kadri will never be that calibre of player; he's too selfish.

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Schenn is a much better player. He's tough, and plays tough. Kadri does not. A comparison of point production does not take that (toughness) into account. Kadri will never be that calibre of player; he's too selfish.
Kadri has grit and is tough. You have to watch him play to know that. He can hit and he does. Him and schenn are offensive players. He's not a bust if he doesn't hit all the time, or isn't the "definition" of tough. His point production is better than schenn's, therefore he is already a better player. How is e selfish exactly? He has more assists then goals. I don't know where your getting this information from.

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I think we keep waiting for Kadri to prove us wrong, prove us to be right, or be traded.

Either way, it's a lot of waiting. I'm still very skeptical. But when you look at the players drafted after him, other than maybe Kreider, it's not like we missed out on much.

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10-12-2012, 11:03 AM
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Does it really make sense to this discussion on opening day? You are all just asking to eat crow.

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10-12-2012, 11:08 AM
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Kadri has grit and is tough. You have to watch him play to know that. He can hit and he does. Him and schenn are offensive players. He's not a bust if he doesn't hit all the time, or isn't the "definition" of tough. His point production is better than schenn's, therefore he is already a better player. How is e selfish exactly? He has more assists then goals. I don't know where your getting this information from.
Kadri only makes contact when he is at the advantage. He avoids all other contact. This is not tough. He does not take contact to make plays. This is selfish. Also, his skill level is not such that will compensate for the selfish nature of his play. He may, some day, play in the NHL, but his selfish nature defines him as a player that teams do not win with.

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10-12-2012, 11:12 AM
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i'll be happy if he is a 20-20 guy in the NHL anything more and he's exceeded my expectations. I do wish him the best if anyone deserves support it's him.
if thats all he turns out to be he's a bust

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Kadri has grit and is tough. You have to watch him play to know that. He can hit and he does. Him and schenn are offensive players. He's not a bust if he doesn't hit all the time, or isn't the "definition" of tough. His point production is better than schenn's, therefore he is already a better player. How is e selfish exactly? He has more assists then goals. I don't know where your getting this information from.
Probably the same place as the information about Kadri being "grossly over-weight"....

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10-12-2012, 11:29 AM
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Probably the same place as the information about Kadri being "grossly over-weight"....
He's fat because he's selfish. If he'd only pass the chips once in a while.....

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He's fat because he's selfish. If he'd only pass the chips once in a while.....
lol well played.

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In the same market that deemed Sundin unworthy, the kids doomed. Too many expectations placed on a guy who will never carry an nhl team. In any other market he would be a good up and coming prospect. In Toronto, when your drafted 7th overall being good is not going to cut it.
Absolutely. In Toronto, nothing is ever good enough. You'll always find a vocal minority who'll deem anything adequate as simply not good enough. It's probably a factor in why we can't attract talent unless we overpay. Toronto fans are extremely fickle towards athletes and seem to want to overturn rosters ever 2-3 years. I guess it's difficult to blame them entirely when the city produces one championship caliber team every couple decades.

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Kadri is developing nicely - as a doughnut. He reported to his American league team grossly over weight. What does that say about his character? He is much like Cody Hodgson, selfish.

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Kadri only makes contact when he is at the advantage. He avoids all other contact. This is not tough. He does not take contact to make plays. This is selfish. Also, his skill level is not such that will compensate for the selfish nature of his play. He may, some day, play in the NHL, but his selfish nature defines him as a player that teams do not win with.
Kessel does not take contact. I guess he's selfish and is a bust.

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