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10-06-2012, 07:18 PM
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Boy, maybe I'm reading this wrong. Maybe someone else can correct me here. It sooo sounds like all the blame for underproduction or stunted development is 100% on the coaching staff and 0% on the player themselves.


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To be "the best" a player can be in an NHL environment, I view it as a 75% player responsibility, 25% coaching staff.

Not saying the players don't have to work themselves. I think Vanek's problem is he's not in good enough shape to play 20 minutes a game. But at some point you wonder about the coaching, IMO. I'm sick of Ruff. There I said it. And I was a big fan of his. I still have my 22 shirt with the C on it. But he just doesn't get the most out of guys for whatever reason. Don't know. My biggest beef with him remains the special teams, that's where you can coach a difference and we are still average despite having some skill players.

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10-10-2012, 12:09 PM
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his career is pretty much over at this point

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10-10-2012, 12:39 PM
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What peculiar sort of logic are we using where Lindy Ruff is to blame for Girgs playing wing in the AHL?

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What peculiar sort of logic are we using where Lindy Ruff is to blame for Girgs playing wing in the AHL?

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10-10-2012, 01:01 PM
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What.the.**** we are not Russian,not even ****ing close. dont compare latvians to russians.never.
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his career is pretty much over at this point
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What peculiar sort of logic are we using where Lindy Ruff is to blame for Girgs playing wing in the AHL?


So much awesome in this thread. Thanks guys.

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10-10-2012, 02:42 PM
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http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs...03/sabre-space

I don't care about winning at the AHL, I want this kid practicing to be a centre and that's it. This is our weakness and his strength.
I really think the problem with Buffalo is how it develops its own players and I put this on Ruff. Through pure circumstance, he put Ennis at centre -- even tried to move him back to wing after some success down the middle.
I'd like to know who is behind the logic for some of these moves like thinking Leino can play down the middle. Ott will be he next guy they mess with, I predict.
Peca and CuBro both started on the wings and both developed into excellent defensive centers. There are many successful NHL centers that started their pro journey as wingers. Some have already been referenced in this thread. The problem is you don't seem to understand this is a common development tactic thats been used by coaches throughout the league for years. You seem to think its just Ruff messing with players.


EDIT: To be honest, I'm amazed anyone thinks this is a big deal or surprising in anyway.


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10-10-2012, 03:02 PM
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In other news, the DOW dropped 3,000,000,000 points today. F'in Ruff!

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10-10-2012, 03:25 PM
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In other news, the DOW dropped 3,000,000,000 points today. F'in Ruff!
Sounds like a new twitter meme... #RuffLuck

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10-11-2012, 07:59 AM
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This thread delivers in great posts. But honestly, on topic, I think it comes from the following:

An over population of centers on the Amerks, caused by the lockout.

Along side of this, Girg is in his first year of AHL play.

Playing at wing can be very helpful to a center to translate his game from one level to the next.
Since Girg is the youngest there, with a higher upside, and the league probably won't play this year, why not let him take his time and develop him a bit slower then they usually would since the lockout is effectively giving them an extra year to develop prospects anyways?

This is a win/win IMO. The team has an easy choice with who to move to wing, and it benefits the player by making the translation into the AHL easier for him. He will probably be moved back to center in a year or so.

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10-11-2012, 10:49 AM
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Peca and CuBro both started on the wings and both developed into excellent defensive centers. There are many successful NHL centers that started their pro journey as wingers. Some have already been referenced in this thread. The problem is you don't seem to understand this is a common development tactic thats been used by coaches throughout the league for years. You seem to think its just Ruff messing with players.


EDIT: To be honest, I'm amazed anyone thinks this is a big deal or surprising in anyway.


Except the difference in this case, as you well know, is that it is very uncommon to put an 18 year old center, out of the USHL, on the wing in the AHL. They are obviously committed to this idea so it's probably marginally better due to the decent center depth in Rochester right now. It's still hard for me to see how this is going to make him a better NHL player than he would be if he was in Kelowna or Vermont. Eh, time will tell, obviously.

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10-11-2012, 11:44 AM
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Wish he was playing with Kelowna as well, I dont see the point in having him the the AHL as a 18 year old when the highest competition he has faced is USHL.

I think he needs to develop his offensive game if he doesnt and only becomes a 3rd line center I wouldnt be to happy. he needs to be developed into a top 6 center

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10-11-2012, 11:59 AM
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Wish he was playing with Kelowna as well, I dont see the point in having him the the AHL as a 18 year old when the highest competition he has faced is USHL.

I think he needs to develop his offensive game if he doesnt and only becomes a 3rd line center I wouldnt be to happy. he needs to be developed into a top 6 center
That is exactly what he is doing. Playing wing allows him to work on his offensive game without having to worry as much about his defensive game as he would at center.

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10-11-2012, 12:27 PM
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That is exactly what he is doing. Playing wing allows him to work on his offensive game without having to worry as much about his defensive game as he would at center.
Not the same thing as playing in the WHL, sure that takes some defensive responsibilities off him but it doesnt mean he will develop his offensive game. Playing in Kelowna he would be their #1 playing every situation, he would be matched up against some very good competition aswell.

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10-11-2012, 08:09 PM
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Seeing this is a Girgs thread, what happened to him in Rochester? As per the opening night roster, he's not on it?

Anyone?????

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10-11-2012, 08:30 PM
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Seeing this is a Girgs thread, what happened to him in Rochester? As per the opening night roster, he's not on it?

Anyone?????
http://www.amerks.com/team.asp

http://www.amerks.com/bio.asp?playerID=ZemgusGirgensons

Huh?

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10-11-2012, 08:33 PM
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Seeing this is a Girgs thread, what happened to him in Rochester? As per the opening night roster, he's not on it?

Anyone?????
Thanks for getting me excited over nothing.
He's still there, unfortunately.

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his career is pretty much over at this point
I laughed.

Time to move on guys.

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10-12-2012, 12:49 AM
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I wonder though, do you think Zemgus speaks Russian? Is it common for younger generations to still learn it? I feel like I talked about this with you before but I don't remember.
I dont know if he can, I have never see him speak it but he probably knows some. Yes, its still common for kids here to learn Russian, typically you know atleast 3 language, Latvian, English and choice, usually Russian or German but it differs from school to school.

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I dont know if he can, I have never see him speak it but he probably knows some. Yes, its still common for kids here to learn Russian, typically you know atleast 3 language, Latvian, English and choice, usually Russian or German but it differs from school to school.
I think I remember him saying he didn't speak russian in that interview with grigorenko......IIRC that is....

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10-12-2012, 02:34 PM
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With all the talk about former Soviet Baltic states, can I work Lithuania into the conversation?

For some reason I have been thinking of the Vilnius Schoolmaster--Marko Ramius--ever since we drafted Girgs, despite him being from Latvia.

If you haven't read it, read The Hunt for Red October by Tom Clancy.

Good movie, but a great book.

In the years ahead, we will need a good nickname for Girgs.

How about "The Rigan Schoolmaster".

Sounds kind of cool, no?

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Isnt he the Latvian locomotive?

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Isnt he the Latvian locomotive?
LOL. Yah, that one works too!

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Except the difference in this case, as you well know, is that it is very uncommon to put an 18 year old center, out of the USHL, on the wing in the AHL. They are obviously committed to this idea so it's probably marginally better due to the decent center depth in Rochester right now. It's still hard for me to see how this is going to make him a better NHL player than he would be if he was in Kelowna or Vermont. Eh, time will tell, obviously.
Its fairly uncommon for a USHL player to go straight to the AHL after getting drafted regardless of position. If you want to turn this into a debate about what league he should be in right now, fine. Like some others, I think he would be best served in the WHL. But I based my earlier comments on the facts on the ground, he is currently in the AHL right now.

So to me, complaining about Girgs playing wing at the moment under these circumstances is pretty daft. Particularly with an NHL lockout going on and a center like Hodgson in the mix. Does one really need to ask why he is on the wing right now?

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HFBoards gets a mention in this Kelowna article, which still hopes to add Kerdiles and/or Girgensons:
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Thus far, Girgensons has survived the latest round of cuts with the Americans and will likely make his AHL debut tonight in their season and home opener against the visiting Syracuse Crunch.

Girgensons could still be re-assigned to the Rockets as the season progresses - up until the Jan. 10, 2013 WHL trade deadline - should the Sabres see the Rockets as a better fit.

"(Rochester) sent a number of guys down to the East Coast league (on Wednesday), so he's going to start the season there, which is exactly what we thought would happen," Hamilton said. "It'll be whether he's prepared for the pace. It's a massive jump to go from the USHL, or any junior league, up to the American Hockey League.

"If he does it, then good on him. If he's not ready, it'll be up to Buffalo to decide, and the boy likely too, as far as what they want to do."

Where Girgensons belongs this season - Buffalo if the lockout ends, Rochester or Kelowna - is also a matter of internet fan debate. Some posters on HFboards.com were split on what would be best for his development, noting Girgensons is likely slated for third-line minutes and limited power-play time with the Americans. Reason being, the ongoing work stoppage has Girgensons stuck behind three prospects with NHL experience in Cody Hodgson, Luke Adam and Marcus Foligno, plus three proven AHL veterans in captain Kevin Porter, Mark Mancari and Corey Tropp on Rochester's depth chart.

In Kelowna, Girgensons would likely play a starring role.

"I'm obviously biased, and I think it would be great for him to be here, but it's totally out of our hands," Hamilton said. "We picked him, but (Buffalo GM) Darcy Regier and the Sabres will make the decision where he's going to play."

With both Kerdiles and Girgensons appearing to be possibilities, Hamilton couldn't help but cross his fingers.

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For a Latvian, your English language is excellent!!!

I hope to someday visit Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Sweden, Norway.
Sounds like a sarcasm to me.

And about latvians speaking russian - we have a problem here, because our youth isn't speaking russian anymore, but it's critical here. Instead they are taking english more seriously, which is fine if tehy don't forget that knowing russian is more important in working field. So, i'm 100% sure that Girgs understands russian, and that's the end of it.

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