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10-13-2012, 12:02 PM
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I also won't be able to watch my AHL games either today

Good to hear! would appreciate any updates!
Wish I could go more into detail, but I can't, only way to follow the game for me is SM-liiga's official sites box score.

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10-13-2012, 12:05 PM
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SM-Liiga = Finish language.

This is an english board.

In Sweden some say SM-liga but many people also use the swedish translation - FM-Liga.

Just like Elitserien (swedish) is called SEL in english.
What does the "SM" stand for?

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10-13-2012, 12:09 PM
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What does the "SM" stand for?
SM = Suomen mestaruus

That means Finland's/Finnish championship.

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What does the "SM" stand for?
Suomen mestaruus = Finnish championship

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What does the "SM" stand for?
Suomen Mestaruus = Finnish Championship ->
Finnish Championship-league

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SM-Liiga = Finish language.

This is an english board.

In Sweden some say SM-liga but many people also use the swedish translation - FM-Liga.

Just like Elitserien (swedish) is called SEL in english.
SEL makes more sense than FEL though, because the translation of 'Elitserien' to English is in fact 'Elite League'.

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10-13-2012, 12:33 PM
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Tappara wins 2-1, Barkov with the assist on the game-winner. This is the third game in a row with 21+ playing minutes for him; and back-to-back nights; Friday 22:45 TOI, today 22:35. He's getting a lot of trust from the coaching staff; I think this was the fourth game his line has been "the 1st line" although I think they have been used like one for almost the whole season.

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Tappara wins 2-1, Barkov with the assist on the game-winner. This is the third game in a row with 21+ playing minutes for him; and back-to-back nights; Friday 22:45 TOI, today 22:35. He's getting a lot of trust from the coaching staff; I think this was the fourth game his line has been "the 1st line" although I think they have been used like one for almost the whole season.
So in over 45 minutes he has a goal and a secondary assist......... When will Finnish prospects stop being busts?

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10-14-2012, 01:24 AM
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So in over 45 minutes he has a goal and a secondary assist......... When will Finnish prospects stop being busts?
you tell me

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SEL makes more sense than FEL though, because the translation of 'Elitserien' to English is in fact 'Elite League'.
Exactly. I guess FEL is too ingrained into the "lingo" to change it at this point, but FCL(Finnish Championship League) would make much more sense.

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10-14-2012, 11:26 AM
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I think the amount of hype Barkov is getting here is kinda ridiculous. Surely he's a very good prospect, but you guys from Finland are just too much. It was a similar situation on the message board when Granlund was playing well in Finland. Both obviously have great potential, but you sometimes get the impression that they are the best 2 prospects of all time when you read this message board. Ridiculous.

By the way, are Russia trying to get Barkov playing for their national team or can we 100% assume that he'll be playing for Finland during the rest of his career?

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10-14-2012, 11:48 AM
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I think the amount of hype Barkov is getting here is kinda ridiculous. Surely he's a very good prospect, but you guys from Finland are just too much. It was a similar situation on the message board when Granlund was playing well in Finland. Both obviously have great potential, but you sometimes get the impression that they are the best 2 prospects of all time when you read this message board. Ridiculous.

By the way, are Russia trying to get Barkov playing for their national team or can we 100% assume that he'll be playing for Finland during the rest of his career?
Well, usually guys complain about small size of them finnish prospects, now that there is no size factor and way better player overall who is tearing up the league and dominating shift to shift i think he has deserved the hype. Just watch the game tomorrow when Barkov and Lindholm faces each other and be thrilled about Barkov's individual skill level.

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10-14-2012, 12:10 PM
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I think the amount of hype Barkov is getting here is kinda ridiculous. Surely he's a very good prospect, but you guys from Finland are just too much. It was a similar situation on the message board when Granlund was playing well in Finland. Both obviously have great potential, but you sometimes get the impression that they are the best 2 prospects of all time when you read this message board. Ridiculous.

By the way, are Russia trying to get Barkov playing for their national team or can we 100% assume that he'll be playing for Finland during the rest of his career?
Barkov just turned 17 year old. Hes leading entire league in goals and is 3rd in points. He is very good two way player who dominates all of the 3 zones. He have logged +22 minutes of ice time in recent games. He's playing all situations and is capable of playing center position as barely 17 year old and winning most of the faceoffs. Barkov is one of the best players of the league. I think that he have played himself into discussion and not to be overhyped. There have been streams of his many games and unbiased NA posters have praised him on this thread. Barkov is just 2 weeks off being 2014 draftee. Granlund played pure offensive role at his draft year. He wasn't top player of the league but did very good. Barkov is right now good skater but needs more explosiveness but he is physically beast, mentally mature and for sure one of the smartest in entire draft. Barkov overhyped? What makes you think he's overhyped? Because that he is finnish? Read posts from NA users. Barkov has done everything to deserve that hype.

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10-14-2012, 12:22 PM
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Barkov is one of the first draft-pick candidates so there are alot of reasons hyping him.

Before heading to NA Granlund was generally the best prospect outside NHL so the hyping in his case is not from nowhere.

Both are great prospects and will most likely have long carreers in NHL.

I think Swedish prospects in fact are more over hyped. Alot of first rounders who have not reached anywhere near their so called potential.

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10-14-2012, 12:33 PM
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I think the amount of hype Barkov is getting here is kinda ridiculous. Surely he's a very good prospect, but you guys from Finland are just too much. It was a similar situation on the message board when Granlund was playing well in Finland. Both obviously have great potential, but you sometimes get the impression that they are the best 2 prospects of all time when you read this message board. Ridiculous.

By the way, are Russia trying to get Barkov playing for their national team or can we 100% assume that he'll be playing for Finland during the rest of his career?
How can one overhype a potential 1st overall pick? Also kinda ironic coming from a swede.

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10-14-2012, 12:35 PM
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I think the amount of hype Barkov is getting here is kinda ridiculous. Surely he's a very good prospect, but you guys from Finland are just too much. It was a similar situation on the message board when Granlund was playing well in Finland. Both obviously have great potential, but you sometimes get the impression that they are the best 2 prospects of all time when you read this message board. Ridiculous.

By the way, are Russia trying to get Barkov playing for their national team or can we 100% assume that he'll be playing for Finland during the rest of his career?
I agree that the hype for finnish top prospects from some posters is getting overboard, and some people tend to expect crazy things. However, I don't think its cool coming here to point a finger at everyone here claiming that we as a group all are ridiculous with the crazy overhype. If you don't agree with something, reply, share your opinion. Don't just come here vaguely pointing fingers.

Also we have to remember that Barkov starting to be considered a potential 1st overall pick (All the traits expected of an NHL ready player, the insane production, his young age), and considering there has never been one from Finland, I'm willing to forgive some guys for being too enthusiastic. And he is darn good player, just look at him.

To answer your question, I am pretty much 99,9% sure he'll play for Finland his whole career. He already has played for Finland in two IIHF hosted tournaments, meaning that he would have to play 4 years on Russian soil to be eligible to change the country he represents internationally. Also he has stated that he considers himself a finn, and all his friends are finnish, etc.

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As an American who largely relies on scouting reports, highlights and the big tournies, it seems to me that Barkov sounds a lot like Granlund, but half a foot taller.

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Anyone know if he has a legit shot at breaking any records? I can't find the record for goals, but apparently 56 games so I would be somewhat disappointed if he doesn't hit atleast 30.

Would assume it's the 47 in 44 games from Arto Javanainen?

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I think the amount of hype Barkov is getting here is kinda ridiculous. Surely he's a very good prospect, but you guys from Finland are just too much. It was a similar situation on the message board when Granlund was playing well in Finland. Both obviously have great potential, but you sometimes get the impression that they are the best 2 prospects of all time when you read this message board. Ridiculous.

By the way, are Russia trying to get Barkov playing for their national team or can we 100% assume that he'll be playing for Finland during the rest of his career?
Already played in IIHF events so wouldn't he have to sit out of international competition for a few years before playing for Russia? Not gonna happen, he grew up in Finland, plays in Finland and has already played for Finland internationally.

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I think the amount of hype Barkov is getting here is kinda ridiculous. Surely he's a very good prospect, but you guys from Finland are just too much. It was a similar situation on the message board when Granlund was playing well in Finland. Both obviously have great potential, but you sometimes get the impression that they are the best 2 prospects of all time when you read this message board. Ridiculous.

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Granlund played amazing tournament where Finland ended up winning Gold. Was very good in his draft year. Best prospect in a long time for Finland.

Barkov is tearing up FEL and just turned 17. Is a legit potential first overall pick. If he's picked first overall he would be the first finnish born ever to do that.

I think the hype is valid at this point to us and if you dont like i suggest you dont come to read about it.

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Anyone know if he has a legit shot at breaking any records? I can't find the record for goals, but apparently 56 games so I would be somewhat disappointed if he doesn't hit atleast 30.

Would assume it's the 47 in 44 games from Arto Javanainen?
That's the one.

The record for most goals by a rookie is 33 by Teemu Selšnne and he was 20-21 when he did that. I don't remember what the record is for most goals by a player before his draft year, but I doubt it's over 20. I really do think that Barkov's scoring pace will go down, and I definately won't be disappointed if he doesn't score 30. 30 is a ridiculous amount nothing close to that has ever happened by a player his age.

There's 60 games in the regular season of which Barkov will miss atleast 6 because of the WJC.

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Exactly. I guess FEL is too ingrained into the "lingo" to change it at this point, but FCL(Finnish Championship League) would make much more sense.
I just use SM-liiga or Finnish league here, no matter what people say.

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so.. i'm trying to watch this Barkov game (12/10) http://www.justin.tv/tapparasaravo, but, just like the other times links to his games were posted here, i'm not able to see anything.

The counter says 1.456 views, so apparently others can watch and i'm missing something?

thx in advance for anyone helping me out with this.

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As an American who largely relies on scouting reports, highlights and the big tournies, it seems to me that Barkov sounds a lot like Granlund, but half a foot taller.
With much lesser downside as well (skating, which seems to be improving with more strength he gains ans also technically).

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