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10-15-2012, 01:48 PM
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Just get ready for when you actually experience parenting. It's a little different than what you've studied. I have extensive experience with both, and the perspective one gains from experience is a different animal than what can be learned from a class and research.
Oh totally understand that my perception WILL change when I have kids, but I don't have that view so I am probably talking in an ignorant way towards parents.

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Are you going to be a pediatrician? I can say that my psych classes in undergrad were vastly different from my childhood development/child psychology classes. As I'm sure education focused classes are vastly different from medical classes, even if both cover child psych. When will you be done with med school?
I will be done with classes in 2 years and I still don't know what I want to be. It's along the lines of Family medicine, Orthopedic surgeon, Neurosurgeon, ER, or Psychiatrist. So far my favourite is anesthesiologist.

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How the hell can you say she is to blame, or the parents are to blame?

The POS that stalked her is primarily to blame, and the little pukes that wouldn't let it go are to blame.
I already said why I blame the parents. I mean of course the sick **** deserves the majority of the blame as well. I don't really blame the kids because... well they're kids. This will no doubt haunt them once they get older tho for sure. I am not a parent myself and if it were up to me it stay that way( I don't hate kids, I actually love them, it's the world and sick adults that **** it up that I hate). My best friend calls me a cynic but I just tell him I'm a frustrated idealist. A cookie for anyone who gets the last reference.

This quote pretty much sums it up “When childhood dies, its corpses are called adults and they enter society, one of the politer names of hell. That is why we dread children, even if we love them, they show us the state of our decay.” Brian Aldiss

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POS should definitely be charged with psychological abuse, but I've been reading more and more about this story and to me it seems she had a very weak mentality in the first place. Something that gets developed due to a lack of commitment by the parent during her baby and kindergarten days. Getting peered pressured and sleeping with a dude on the first, second, or third day not knowing he had a girlfriend is just things you don't do.
It wasn't some random guy, it was an old "friend" of hers. I'm not sure she even know he had a girl but I don't really disagree with you. Flasing at the age of 12 sex as young as 14, this girl was messed and needed help.

Seems to me that this girl just wanted attention or the need to be loved. Something she wasn't getting else were i.e parents.

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I am becoming a doctor so I had to take psychology classes, but I also find the brain, psychology ,and mental disorders fascinating, so I dig up my own research as well.
Wanna be my doctor

Pretty crappy day for me as I missed a midterm. ****ing alarm didn't go off.

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I already said why I blame the parents.
Please. Don't give me the "her parents didn't love her enough" line.
Maybe the kids who consistently bullied her had parents that "didn't love them enough", too, and that's why they treated her the way they did?

It was her peers who didn't show her any love. They saw an easy target, and they preyed on it. Relentlessly, school after school. She was the "weirdo", the "outcast", the girl that was easy to pick on. Even if someone wanted to help her they wouldn't dare, due to the fact that they would then become targets, too.

"Oh, kids will be kids." THAT is the mentality that permeates today's society. Since they're kids, they can do no wrong. It must be the parents! BS. Today's youth -- and I daresay it's been that way for far too long now -- are entitled little snits, with little or no regard for their peers. No respect for their peers, their parents, and in most cases, no respect for themselves. An entire generation that has been raised without ever having to take responsibility for what they do. Sickening.

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The only thing I wonder with this Amanda Todd story is why is this one in particular getting so much attention? Death due to bullying isn't some new dilemma.

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I am becoming a doctor so I had to take psychology classes, but I also find the brain, psychology ,and mental disorders fascinating, so I dig up my own research as well.
For fun then, tell me what you think about my opinion that the anxiety Amanda suffered could possibly be on par with that of troubled kids in places we often consider worse off. The often said "1st world problems" of Amanda could have actually played out in her mind as severe as a "3rd world" African child for instance in a war torn country.

I feel since the mind can only cope with things to a certain degree that even if she was not in a terrible position comparatively, she would still be putting out an extreme degree of stress on her mind and body to such she could not handle on a daily basis.

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Please. Don't give me the "her parents didn't love her enough" line.
Maybe the kids who consistently bullied her had parents that "didn't love them enough", too, and that's why they treated her the way they did?

"Oh, kids will be kids." THAT is the mentality that permeates today's society. Since they're kids, they can do no wrong. It must be the parents! BS. Today's youth -- and I daresay it's been that way for far too long now -- are entitled little snits, with little or no regard for their peers. No respect for their peers, their parents, and in most cases, no respect for themselves. An entire generation that has been raised without ever having to take responsibility for what they do. Sickening.
That's why I don't blame them. You would have to assume parents knew about Amanda and tell their kids stop. I blame her parents because either they were neglecting her or they knew and didn't give a ****.

1. what is a 12yr old doing stripping on webcam? Her mom was supposedly tech savvy, you would think she has ways to figure what her preteen girl was doing on the net, no?

2. How in hell does this girl get hooked up on drugs+alcohol, after her anxiety keeps her in the house? Does she go get high and comes back sober? Do the parents not ask questions like what were you doing. considering she spends most of her time home?

3. Why, let this troubled girl go back to where it all starter to "hang out" with a guy friend? What happened to chaperons?

4. This wasn't the only time she tried to commit suicide, she apparently tried to kill herself by drinking bleach. So, why wasn't she under better supervision to preventing this from happening again?

They just kept making dumb mistakes and it unfortunately cost them their daughter. Maybe, it was a good thing atleast she can rest in peace now.

You're a lot older than I am Bubba so, I can't pretended to know how it was back in the day but from what I know, kids have always been cruel. It's not until you get older do you realize how bad you teated others, either that or psychopath.

Congrats on the 2 weeks btw. Wish my bro would stop but he just walks around smelling like a dead rat.

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The only thing I wonder with this Amanda Todd story is why is this one in particular getting so much attention? Death due to bullying isn't some new dilemma.
Probably, because she made a video and she had a psycho stalker?

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Anyone tried Pizzahut's new crust yet?

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I actually wouldn't mind trying that but not for the insanely high price. (I assume it's an insanely high price)

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Anyone tried Pizzahut's new crust yet?
it looks like it's crowning.

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I just had a small heart attack looking at that picture!

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I am sick and tired of these mother****ing pigs in my mother****ing blanket of a pizza.

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What heart attack? Pizza is a vegetable, you can't get a heart attack from vegetables

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That doesn't look bad, until you see the actually pizza. What the **** is nacho sauce doing on a pizza? And the whole pizza looks like a **** thing that just came from the **** microwave.

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This girl that sat next to me on the bus smelt so good.

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This girl that sat next to me on the bus smelt so good.
Did she smell like a hotdog in a pizza crust?

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Not creepy at all.
I agree, it wasn't creepy.

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Did she smell like a hotdog in a pizza crust?
No, it smelt like our love was starting to blossom lol I like girls that smell really good. I know it's perfume but it's awesome.


Also, anyone who was interested in the Franchise Hockey Manager, here was more stuff that was released.

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Overview

First, by way of introduction, my name is Jeff Riddolls. I've been working on Franchise Hockey Manager since shorly after the game was first announced; before that I spent several years working as researcher (among other things) on the NHL Eastside Hockey Manager team, and I've been playing various computer and board hockey games going back 30+ years. I've been doing a variety of different things for FHM, but my pet project is the historical game. I've been playing OOTP Baseball's historical mode for many years, and, like a lot of you, I've always wanted a hockey version. And now here's our chance.

I realize that there are a number of different ways OOTP's historical game can be played - using fictional teams or players, modifiying league structures, and so on. But this preview will just focus on FHM's basic, vanilla version - historical leagues with historical players. I don't know at this point how many other options will be available; that's probably dependent on time and available ease of coding, so that will likely be addressed by Sebastian in more detail at some later point.

That said, let's start with the basics: the game will let you pick a season and play from there - if you want to start in 1955, you get the teams and rosters that actually existed then. Every year, the new rookies will be added, and depending on your preferences, you can have them either show up on their historical teams or be available for drafting and signing. Hate that your team traded away a future Hall of Famer for a guy that broke down a couple of years later? Now you can avoid the mistake. Were they ruined by year after year of incompetent drafting? Well, do it yourself and see if you can make better picks. Been waiting four-plus decades for a cup? Go win one yourself.

The Player Ratings

Obviously, the nature of baseball statistics makes it easier to create an accurate picture of players just using the numbers. Hitters will hit precisely the right number of homers, pitchers will walk the right number of guys, fielders will make the right amount of errors. With hockey, we're not so lucky - often all that's available, particularly for older seasons, is a handful of basic counting stats like goals and assists. There's really no way to make workable player ratings from those, and you're left with the immense task of manually rating each player. Not an attractive option for a small, volunteer research team, and it gets vastly more daunting if it has to be done for every season a player was active. What to do, then?

We came up with a couple of answers. First, to ease the task of entering all the ratings manually, there's the template system: break down players into various types (for example, offense-oriented wingers who tend to shoot more than they pass and don't take a lot of penalties, tough stay-at-home defencemen, and so on - we came up with about 50 different ones) and then build a fully-rated database entry - the template - for an "average NHLer" of each type. Then, every real player gets assigned one of those templates and four simple "target" ratings - offensive, defensive, mental, and physical. If the target is above-average, for example, the ratings the player gets in that group are raised from the average level in the template; below-average and they go down. (Additionally, any specific attribute ratings that are entered for a player override the template numbers.) So by selecting a template and entering four numbers, I get a reasonably accurate depiction of a player without having to enter 30-40 individual attributes.

The second answer deals with the need to enter ratings for a player's whole career. It was inspired by a similar system in OOTP's boxing game, Title Bout Championship Boxing (check them out just a couple of forums down from us on this board.) Every player gets five career dates entered - start, pre-prime, prime, post-prime, and end. Those dates are used to further tune the ratings in the templates, so if a player starts the game in a season right before his prime, his ratings will be lowered a little to reflect that.

Now, will these systems give you the kind of statistical results that OOTP does, where the numbers can match real life almost perfectly? No, there's just too much abstraction involved, and there are some things that just can't be handled accurately like major mid-career changes in a guy's playing style. But I think this will get us very close, certainly enough to give you an accurate picture of what a player was like and how he fit into the context of his team and league. We've given the template system a test run by using it to help calibrate the ratings guidelines for the current leagues (it can be used for active players as well), and if I showed you the ratings it was producing, you'd have difficulty telling that they hadn't all been entered manually.

And, as I mentioned before, the templates can be overridden by entering specific ratings. That'll be an ongoing process that makes the historical database more and more accurate as time goes by. To make an analogy, think of a player's ratings in this first version as a simple pencil-sketch portrait of the player, something that over the years will get refined and coloured so it ultimately becomes a nearly photo-realistic rendition.

Starting Point

The earliest year available will be 1947-48. I know a lot of people were hoping to be able to start a lot earlier, but with the major rule changes the game was undergoing up until the mid-forties, it just poses too much of a challenge to adapt the game engine to them in the first version of FHM. Next time around, we'll work on getting the game able to handle things like forward passes being illegal, minor penalty shots, and so on, and we can go back further. 1947 is actually a few years past the point where the rules had settled into a recognizably modern form, but starting there also gets us clear of the odd effects wartime replacement players would have on the database.

The Database

Unlike OOTP, the historical database will not be in a physically separate file. Everything is in one database. That complicates things slightly with currently active players, but we've figured out some ways to make that work. I don't want to get into too much detail about the nuts and bolts of how the database works, but it makes some interesting things possible for the historical game - a few months ago, I would've laughed at the possibility of incorporating non-major leagues, but the way the database handles league structures and rules, that just might be possible in the far future, coding complications and research material permitting.

Right now, the bare bones (all players and their career records) are in place, and I'm in the process of doing the ratings. Another major difference from OOTP: players will not have "missing" seasons. If a guy's career consisted of a single game in the 1955 playoffs and then 15 more seasons as a journeyman minor leaguer, when you start a game in 1965 he'll still show up as property of the team he belonged to then. That will avoid the typical OOTP problem of a lack of players in early seasons of the historical game; you should always start with at least half a farm team or so of surplus players. Time permitting, I'll also try to include significant players who never made it to the show (although I'm not going to do totally ahistorical things like making Soviet players available in the pre-Gorbachev years. If someone wants to edit them in, they can.)

The WHA

The existence of the WHA presents a bit of a complication for us. If you've ever tried to make the Federal League's two seasons work in OOTP, you know the game struggles with handling a league that suddenly appears mid-game and then shuts down a few seasons later. And the fact that the WHA had teams fold, sometimes in mid-season, makes for even more problems. So, our plans are a bit tentative at this point. Ideally, we'd like to have it work just as it did in real life, but if that proves impossible, there's a backup plan that will have the league's presence in the 70's abstracted in a way that will affect the pool of players available to the NHL.

Minor Leagues

I've never been a fan of the way minor leagues worked in OOTP's historical mode. Rather than try to make them work here, the minors will just be abstracted as a "reserve list" where teams can place a limited number of players not on their active roster. In a later version, maybe we can make this a little more realistic, but this is how it'll work for now.

Stats in Different Eras

One of the nice things about the game engine is its adaptability to different levels of scoring and penalties. So the 1980's can look like the real 1980's in the game, with 100-point seasons being commonplace and a sub-3.00 GAA outstanding.

Summary

Well, that's the basics of it. Nothing vastly complex, but it should give us the essence of what we want: a hockey game with a real history-based mode. If anyone has questions, we'll answer them as best we can. I know that, in the interests of keeping this short and accessible to everyone, I've glossed over a bunch of specific issues OOTP historical players will be wondering about. And, of course, please keep in mind that the game is still a work in progress and very much subject to change, so anything I've described here might turn out a bit differently in the final version.

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Sounds good but the biggest key for me is the separate DB. They HAVE to incorporate that sometime in the future so hacks like me can create random debut leagues (i.e. Forsberg and Orr playing together in 1951 etc.)

Sounds pretty vanilla from the start.

I'm already in a league set up with forums etc. Can't wait for this to start.

And for any OOTP Baseball folks out there, I will have a random debut league starting very soon if you're interested. I've taken the standard OOTP DB and put players in random debuts (for instance Strausburg, Ruth, and Jeter could all be part of the same draft class in 1901). Furthermore, I've incorporated approximately 75 Negro Leaguers into the game. Satchel Paige will play a full 20 years, Josh Gibson will be a star, Biz Mackey will be a hell of a backstop. All kinds of fun......(and when hockey has the ability to let users define DBs, I will probably create a similiar league for that)....Anyways, let me know if you're interested in the baseball league. I'm going to start putting together the website for it next week actually.

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