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10-15-2012, 04:04 PM
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Kessel is all of these things:
-Our fastest player
-Most dynamic offensive player
-Best goalscorer
-Best playmaker
-Best forward
-Coming off Back-to-back-to-back-to-back 30G+ seasons (4 consecutive)
-Has steadily improved every season he has been in the Leafs uniform
-25 years old

Bottom Line:
You pay Phil Kessel whatever he wants, on whatever term. He is able to both produce without competent linemates (Crabb..etc) and raise the level of skilled linemates when he has them (Lupul..etc).

If we lose Kessel we are ****ed. Much of the progress we have made towards becoming a playoff team will likely go down the drain a a result of losing our top forward, and only true star forward on the roster.

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10-15-2012, 05:06 PM
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We might as well let Kessel walk on July 1st, then we can add goal scoring winger to the list of what our team needs

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10-15-2012, 05:10 PM
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We might as well let Kessel walk on July 1st, then we can add goal scoring winger to the list of what our team needs
.....I see what you did there.

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10-15-2012, 05:16 PM
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We need to extend him as soon as humanly possible.

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10-15-2012, 05:21 PM
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Trading him is the right move.

We'll see how he responds to Randy C and a more defensive system - I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop significantly in production.

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10-15-2012, 05:22 PM
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Kessel is all of these things:
-Our fastest player
-Most dynamic offensive player
-Best goalscorer
-Best playmaker
-Best forward
-Coming off Back-to-back-to-back-to-back 30G+ seasons (4 consecutive)
-Has steadily improved every season he has been in the Leafs uniform
-25 years old

Bottom Line:
You pay Phil Kessel whatever he wants, on whatever term. He is able to both produce without competent linemates (Crabb..etc) and raise the level of skilled linemates when he has them (Lupul..etc).

If we lose Kessel we are ****ed. Much of the progress we have made towards becoming a playoff team will likely go down the drain a a result of losing our top forward, and only true star forward on the roster.
This is the main thing the OP was missing. Kessel won't be getting a slight raise, he'll be cashing in. 7mill min.

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10-15-2012, 05:24 PM
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Well, If we could trick MIN into trading Granlund+Dumba+Harding for him, well..

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10-15-2012, 05:27 PM
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Signing him is the only option and there is no lose with a talent like Kessel.

To trade him would be beyond dumb.

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10-15-2012, 05:28 PM
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Kessel is all of these things:
-Our fastest player
-Most dynamic offensive player
-Best goalscorer
-Best playmaker
-Best forward
-Coming off Back-to-back-to-back-to-back 30G+ seasons (4 consecutive)
-Has steadily improved every season he has been in the Leafs uniform
-25 years old

Bottom Line:
You pay Phil Kessel whatever he wants, on whatever term. He is able to both produce without competent linemates (Crabb..etc) and raise the level of skilled linemates when he has them (Lupul..etc).

If we lose Kessel we are ****ed. Much of the progress we have made towards becoming a playoff team will likely go down the drain a a result of losing our top forward, and only true star forward on the roster.
We're already ****ed - and we have Kessel

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10-15-2012, 05:29 PM
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Which #1 centre can we trade for Phil Kessel.
I'm sure Colorado would listen about one of their 3 centers.

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10-15-2012, 05:36 PM
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Trading him is the right move.

We'll see how he responds to Randy C and a more defensive system - I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop significantly in production.
Randy is an idiot if he tries to reign Kessel in. Kessel needs to be left alone and do his thing. Kessel needs to play 20+ minutes a night and push for offence all game long.

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10-15-2012, 05:37 PM
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This is the main thing the OP was missing. Kessel won't be getting a slight raise, he'll be cashing in. 7mill min.
If Kessel is among league leaders in points and goals again, I would throw bags of money at Phil if I were Burke.

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10-15-2012, 05:50 PM
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It's easy to see that people want Kessel to fail miserably in Toronto, even some of Toronto's own fans. (You know who you are)

Point is Kessel is one of the most dynamic wingers in the NHL at the age of 25. Yes he's going to be pricey but if you really think that him and his price tag is the problem with this team then you need to give your head a shake.

Even in a defensive system you need your extremely talented forwards who produce offence.

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10-15-2012, 05:53 PM
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And 7 million is only 1.6 more in cap space, for an elite young player.

I can think of a number of ways we're wasting cap space to the tune of several times that figure.

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10-15-2012, 05:54 PM
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I still can't believe some of you think having Phil Kessel on our team is a bad thing. Without him, we would be Columbus level bad.

Just because he isn't a reincarnation of Wendel Clark doesn't mean he's not a damn good goalscorer. His shot is among the best out there.

If we traded him for a true #1 centre, then we're back in the Sundin situation all over again. Great centre, no one for him to play with. Call me crazy, but its probably easier to find a guy to play with Kessel than to find a Kessel to play with whoever we trade him for.

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10-15-2012, 06:01 PM
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Extending Kessel is a loss?

lol

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10-15-2012, 06:03 PM
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Because of "The Trade", Burke is forced to try his best to re-sign Kessel. He will not let him walk and cannot. The fans/media would kill him.

Imo Kessel re-signs for a huge contravt with the Leafs.

Who cares if people say he's overpaid? They already said that every year but this last season.

It's better than the alternative.

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10-15-2012, 06:05 PM
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Trading him is the right move.

We'll see how he responds to Randy C and a more defensive system - I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop significantly in production.
He already played great in a defensive system in Boston at age. 21. I guess you've forgotten that. And he got terrible PP time there as well.


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10-15-2012, 06:13 PM
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You guys can't let Kessel go....too damn good. Johnny Snipes. Just missing a good center to play with him.

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I think his style of play...avoiding contact...will allow him to play at this level longer than a more physical player...he should have a long shelf life in the NHL...but what do I know....

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10-15-2012, 06:17 PM
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I think his style of play...avoiding contact...will allow him to play at this level longer than a more physical player...he should have a long shelf life in the NHL...but what do I know....
Yup. He's not exactly being punished nightly a la Darcy Tucker.

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10-15-2012, 06:19 PM
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And 7 million is only 1.6 more in cap space, for an elite young player.

I can think of a number of ways we're wasting cap space to the tune of several times that figure.
You have to figure it's going to be more though. To get him at around 7 mill you'll have to lock him up like Parise. As the contract gets shorter the cap hit will go up.

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10-15-2012, 06:22 PM
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7 years, 7.5 million per. I have no issue with that.

Unless you guys want to trade him for magical picks and one day could maybe score 30 goals.

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10-15-2012, 06:29 PM
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Extending a PPG sniper in his prime is definitely a loss.
This is the way agents make players sign their contracts.

They get their entry level contract.. after thats done they sign a fair contract til their at an age were players are usually in their prime (4 or 5 year deals) Then once that contract is up and their putting up good numbers they ask for a contract that spans almost the rest of their career.

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10-15-2012, 06:32 PM
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I think his style of play...avoiding contact...will allow him to play at this level longer than a more physical player...he should have a long shelf life in the NHL...but what do I know....
its takes one raffi torres or matt cooke to change that..

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