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10-16-2012, 11:45 AM
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Just to be clear

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League offer of 50/50 split would begin in Year 1. No phasing in

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10-16-2012, 11:52 AM
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Just to be clear
This really doesn't help anything in the big picture. Maybe they can agree to get playing and continue working on the system itself?

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10-16-2012, 11:54 AM
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Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC Bettman: it is an offer of 50/50 across the board

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC Bettman: there is no rollback

Tim Wharnsby ‏@WharnsbyCBC #NHL made offer of 50-50 share today in hopes off starting season by Nov. 2.

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This really doesn't help anything in the big picture. Maybe they can agree to get playing and continue working on the system itself?
Playing while working on this is in no way in the owners interests. The players would simply extend the current system if they could, this only allows them the leverage them to further entrench themselves in their position.

But it sounds as though "50/50 split, no phasing in" is not the cut and dry jist of the NHL's proposal.

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10-16-2012, 11:56 AM
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How do those people feel that bought into that trip on ON to see the Barons?

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10-16-2012, 11:59 AM
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Don't know details yet, but from what I'm told NHL proposal in some way protects player salaries as is in 2012-13. Interested to see how.
Depending on the details, we might have something real here with the 50/50 split

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10-16-2012, 12:02 PM
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Also told NHL proposal was comprehensive, including length of contracts, free agency age, salary arbitration, etc. Not just split of HRR.
Lots of meat on the bone

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10-16-2012, 12:06 PM
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At least one side is trying to get something done.

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10-16-2012, 12:07 PM
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This really doesn't help anything in the big picture. Maybe they can agree to get playing and continue working on the system itself?
Oh good lord that's a ridiculous idea.

If the players are getting paid, then what incentive is for them to make concessions to get a deal done?

Answer: none. Only with pain will the players union agree to concessions. The owners will not, under any circumstances, continue with the current CBA as many of them are already losing money. So why on earth would they want to continue to lose money while negotiations are ongoing?

They want the bleeding to stop. And when the players are locked out - the bleeding has stopped. The owners aren't earning any money, but they're not having to pay the players which is the biggest drain on their team finances.

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Oh good lord that's a ridiculous idea.

If the players are getting paid, then what incentive is for them to make concessions to get a deal done?

Answer: none. Only with pain will the players union agree to concessions. The owners will not, under any circumstances, continue with the current CBA as many of them are already losing money. So why on earth would they want to continue to lose money while negotiations are ongoing?

They want the bleeding to stop. And when the players are locked out - the bleeding has stopped. The owners aren't earning any money, but they're not having to pay the players which is the biggest drain on their team finances.
obviously you haven't been following as the players were the ones that wanted the system fixed.

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10-16-2012, 12:15 PM
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There's no way this doesn't significantly push forward the negotiations. Hard to keep sitting on your hands and cast aspersions when a reasonable, workable spine is given to the most contentious aspect of the negotiation.

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10-16-2012, 12:17 PM
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glad to see things starting up agine

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Definitely good news. I am really hoping the PA responds to this reasonably and not in a "Woohoo! They bent first, see what else we can get out of them!" manner. Both sides have been acting like idiots up to this point.

Figure. This. Out. Now.

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10-16-2012, 12:20 PM
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The keys to the NHL proposal from what I can gather: protection of 1st year salary through return of $$ over time, 50/50 split, long-term
That might be a tricky slope to go down with the players. However, it's a good negotiating point. Players have a legitimate offer from what i'm reading on twitter from credible sources. It's not the final deal but the NHLPA can't say anymore that they are negociating with themselves.

EDIT: More good info from Bob MacKenzie

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50 per cent of that is $1.7325B. Players salaries committed for this season expected (by both sides) to be about $1.95B, give or take $25M.

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Any indication of policy for equalization payments?

That's one of the good cards the PA has right now.

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obviously you haven't been following as the players were the ones that wanted the system fixed.
No, joestevens, they really don't. They WANT the system to remain exactly as it is because it's highly profitable to them. They understand that it can't, and tried to get ahead of it with creative changes to revenue sharing - but the league doesn't want to buoy struggling teams, they want the same share of profit that the NBA and NFL got.

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obviously you haven't been following as the players were the ones that wanted the system fixed.
LOL what? The players would die to keep playing under the current system. That statement is a whole bunch of crazy.

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That might be a tricky slope to go down with the players. However, it's a good negotiating point. Players have a legitimate offer from what i'm reading on twitter from credible sources. It's not the final deal but the NHLPA can't say anymore that they are negociating with themselves.

EDIT: More good info from Bob MacKenzie
I haven't followed the on goings of the lock out extensively, but hasn't it been basically the NHL negotiating with themselves, and not the NHLPA? This is another offer by the NHL, and from what I have gathered, the NHLPA has basically kept the same deal on the.

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Wow some concessions from the NHL today!!! Looks like we get all 82 games in now

Hurry up Hall get better!!!

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From the first day this got ugly, pretty much everyone figured that the big issue, HRR, would end up at 50-50. I think this is a take it or leave it number from the owners, and I hope the players see it as such. Negotiate other stuff, but accept that you are not getting more than 50% anymore.

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huge for the NHL side IMO cause it shows a willingness to move on their initial offer

now its in the PA's court....if they refuse, they better come with a counter proposal or they're gonna be losing the PR battle once again

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huge for the NHL side IMO cause it shows a willingness to move on their initial offer

now its in the PA's court....if they refuse, they better come with a counter proposal or they're gonna be losing the PR battle once again
Oh please. What counter proposal has the PA given so far that was in any way realistic or addressed the problems with the league?

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obviously you haven't been following as the players were the ones that wanted the system fixed.
Bwahaha. Hilarious. Can you show any evidence of this?

The players counterproposals have been far fetched to say the least.

They proposed:
a) continue playing under the current CBA while negotiating... ridiculous idea considering nearly half the teams are losing money. And by continuing to pay the players, there is no incentive for the players to deal.

b) revenue sharing between owners so that the weakest teams are buoyed by the strongest teams..... and then suggest that players have a temporary reduction in their revenue sharing only to get back up to 57% revenue sharing in several years. Ridiculous.

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Oh please. What counter proposal has the PA given so far that was in any way realistic or addressed the problems with the league?
none, which is why they'll be losing the PR war should they outright refuse this proposal

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No rollbacks in the NHL offer too? This is a really good starting point for a deal. NHLPA better step up now.

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