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10-16-2012, 12:43 PM
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My bad. The NHL wanted free agency at 10 years in July. Not 30 years old. Those cheating contracts are a joke. NHL wants 5 years. They would take 7 or even 8.

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@stevezipay: NHL offer predicated on Nov. 2 start to season, or expires. Your serve, NHLPA. Conference call this afternoon, clock ticking.

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http://sportsthenandnow.com/2012/10/...for-the-nhlpa/

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They basically have ten days to get this done in order to have time for travel back and short camp...

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So based on what we've seen, what is there really left to stop this season from starting November 2nd?

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Crazy 2nd contracts will still be part of the next CBA. Arbitration will exist. Add a year to group III. NHL wants the HRR split and contracts length. Daly called that 1A next to HRR.

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That article is pure garbage. Why post that in here?

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@stevezipay: NHL offer predicated on Nov. 2 start to season, or expires. Your serve, NHLPA. Conference call this afternoon, clock ticking.
**** you Zipay

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Any article that relies heavily on all capitals and extraneous punctuation isn't really one that I want to consider worth reading

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10-16-2012, 12:48 PM
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I wonder which side that guy is on? I have a tough time taking a journalist seriously when they use both CAPS LOCK and the phrase shove it in an article.

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A little sensationalist to say the least.

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NHLPA not going to like this one. Prevents circumvention though which is great.
Why?

Nobody signed 5+ years before cap. Cap circumvention is one player screwing another player.

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That article is pure garbage. Why post that in here?
I never said it wasn't pure garbage, I'm just wondering why the author is so doubtful.

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Any article that relies heavily on all capitals and extraneous punctuation isn't really one that I want to consider worth reading
What's the issue with Zipay. He's right. This offer expires soon. NHLPA needs to respond quick and get this signed, sealed and delivered.

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10-16-2012, 12:51 PM
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So based on what we've seen, what is there really left to stop this season from starting November 2nd?
An actual agreement???

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I am a fan of upping ELC lengths, making UFA age older, ect.

Might make it harder to land established European talent, but rewards teams for good drafting.

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Why?

Nobody signed 5+ years before cap. Cap circumvention is one player screwing another player.
Players like the security of long-term deals, don't you think?

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What's the issue with Zipay. He's right. This offer expires soon. NHLPA needs to respond quick and get this signed, sealed and delivered.
For one, he's a crappy beat writer who's only gotten worse, argues with fans over twitter all the time, gets things wrong all the time

edit: Also, it puts stupid pressure on the NHLPA to just sign the deal as is. There's no way this deal gets signed as is. Only a fool would think that, I doubt even the NHL thinks it would be signed as is even if they genuinely think they have made significant concessions to the players.

Saying "balls in your court, better sign it now!" is dumb. What the players need to do is talk to Fehr and decide what they want to do, and then go out and negotiate in good faith with Bettman and the owners. There are certainly aspects of this that still need to be negotiated even if the NHLPA does like it in general

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I agree with a few of the posters above if the NHLPA just throws this out right away we as fans may lose the season.... however if they just tweek somethings they maybe able to get this agreed on and start playing.

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I think it's a joke personally.

The players aren't guaranteed 57% in perpetuity just because the last CBA ended at that number. In a CBA world, everything is pending renegotiation.

Secondly, the 82 game season is a win financially for the players. More games = more gate revenue = larger HRR. Not to mention that lost games comes right off of their salary; by playing a full season they eliminate that impact.

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I am a fan of upping ELC lengths, making UFA age older, ect.

Might make it harder to land established European talent, but rewards teams for good drafting.
Agreed, with the current Ranger team I really like it. Even though the ELC changes won't affect our current players, the UFA changes allows one more year to keep cap hits down.

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Hope there's no part V !
It's looking better than it was 24 hours ago.

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I think it's a joke personally.

The players aren't guaranteed 57% in perpetuity just because the last CBA ended at that number. In a CBA world, everything is pending renegotiation.

Secondly, the 82 game season is a win financially for the players. More games = more gate revenue = larger HRR. Not to mention that lost games comes right off of their salary; by playing a full season they eliminate that impact.
82 game season is also a win for the owners. Why do you think they made the deal contingent on it? I'd say lots of owners want a full season played

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For one, he's a crappy beat writer who's only gotten worse, argues with fans over twitter all the time, gets things wrong all the time
I'm not saying i like Zipay but he said nothing wrong here

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I'll concede that I am the most uninformed poster on the site.

With that said, I always thought the revenue sharing would be down to around a 50-50 mix at the end of negotiations.

I really don't know much about the new proposal but I am left wondering what the PA believes they are getting new? Especially when they have not yet put a proposal on the table.

I am left with the feeling that everyone is putting their best PR shot on the table before more games are cancelled.

If a deal is reached then it will confirm that I have no clue what went on.

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I think it's a joke personally.

The players aren't guaranteed 57% in perpetuity just because the last CBA ended at that number. In a CBA world, everything is pending renegotiation.

Secondly, the 82 game season is a win financially for the players. More games = more gate revenue = larger HRR. Not to mention that lost games comes right off of their salary; by playing a full season they eliminate that impact.
Exactly. That article is really way off.

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