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10-16-2012, 02:33 PM
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Most likely. And of course, Redden could always terminate his contract by refusing to report, and then sign a new one with another team, but he wants the money more than he cares about pride.
Can he though? I thought he would have to honor that contract if he were to still be playing?

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10-16-2012, 02:39 PM
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Can he though? I thought he would have to honor that contract if he were to still be playing?
I don't think he can. Nabokov had to deal with it and play with the Islanders even though he tried to hold out as long as possible.

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10-16-2012, 02:43 PM
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I doubt the NHLPA accepts this deal outright but they have common ground now.

The nov 2nd start date won't be hit ( most likely ) but it seems that THERE WILL be hockey this season. Thats the most important part.

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10-16-2012, 02:45 PM
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On other hand Huet wasn't even an ECHL caliber player when Hawks buried him in minors

I like the ability of a owner to bury mistake instead of forcing that mistake on an NHL roster
That's fair for a Chicago team with an unlimited bank roll.

That's not fair for a Phoenix team with tight expenses.

By removing the burial, you level the playing field. If you make a mistake, you gotta live with it. Don't want to pay an ECHL caliber 5 mil against the cap? Don't hand an ECHL caliber 5 mil a year.

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10-16-2012, 02:53 PM
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Can he though? I thought he would have to honor that contract if he were to still be playing?
If he truly wanted back into NHL he and Rangers could agree to put him thru unconditional waivers

Terminates his contract (He wouldn't get paid what is left) and he becomes FA

Sykora did it with Wild a few years back

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10-16-2012, 02:56 PM
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He still could bury it in the AHL roster, just the price tag stays.
If you have to carry nearly 6M in dead cap space it is still a #### situation

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That's fair for a Chicago team with an unlimited bank roll.

That's not fair for a Phoenix team with tight expenses.

By removing the burial, you level the playing field. If you make a mistake, you gotta live with it. Don't want to pay an ECHL caliber 5 mil against the cap? Don't hand an ECHL caliber 5 mil a year.
So far the teams that have had to deal with mistakes are big markets ,, Small markets have to spend there money wisely and dont get involved in many Huet/Redden mistakes

How is it fair for an NHL team to have no means to escape a player who gets paid and then just falls off?

Huet was NHL talent when he signed with Hawks ,, 2yrs later he couldn't stop a puck if his life depended on it

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10-16-2012, 03:00 PM
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I doubt the NHLPA accepts this deal outright but they have common ground now.

The nov 2nd start date won't be hit ( most likely ) but it seems that THERE WILL be hockey this season. Thats the most important part.
I don't believe 11/2 is obtainable either because the NHLPA is going to take a couple of days to accept/counter and the NHL would then of course have to accept the counter and then they're going to still need 7-10 days of physicals, training camp, roster moves and that stuff

The first week-10 days of November though I wouldn't entirely rule out

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10-16-2012, 03:05 PM
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So far the teams that have had to deal with mistakes are big markets ,, Small markets have to spend there money wisely and dont get involved in many Huet/Redden mistakes
Bingo. So why should I care about whether the big markets get stuck with a bad contract? Now they'd have to be a little more careful just like the small markets.

Plus I'm sure the players themselves don't want to be riding buses with $2+ million contracts. You could always offer a one-time amnesty if you don't want to get rid of it entirely, i.e. if you have to bury 'one' one-way contract of $2+ million you get to do it once every five years or whatever.

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10-16-2012, 03:06 PM
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How is it fair for an NHL team to have no means to escape a player who gets paid and then just falls off?
Don't sign a player to too long of a contract. Problem solved

**** happens. Teams shouldn't have an easy bailout for a terrible signing.

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10-16-2012, 03:09 PM
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Yeah this is Fehr to me. Sounds like a total move by him. ''We got them to budge a little? I bet we can get them to budge even more if we hold out some more!''
I hope not, I hope he at least learned something from '95 and how much repeated work stoppages finally caused baseball fans to say 'we've had enough!'. I sense that from a lot of hockey fans now, even more so than in '04. Like most, I wouldn't put it past him to try and pull a power play now that the owners finally came off their perch a little...but hopefully common sense prevails finally.

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It's not realistic to expect the NHLPA to accept this.

NHLPA will make a counter, hopefully the meet in the middle by the weekend.
Agreed, if they can't work out a deal in the next week or two with this framework then the players deserve the lion's share of blame now. For the first time since this began, there's actually light at the end of the tunnel. We'll find out if it's the promised land or an oncoming train soon.

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10-16-2012, 03:11 PM
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Under the new proposal. Would Zajac, and Clarkson still be eligible for UFA this Summer? They will both be 28, but only 7 years of playing rather than the 8.

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So far the teams that have had to deal with mistakes are big markets ,, Small markets have to spend there money wisely and dont get involved in many Huet/Redden mistakes

How is it fair for an NHL team to have no means to escape a player who gets paid and then just falls off?

Huet was NHL talent when he signed with Hawks ,, 2yrs later he couldn't stop a puck if his life depended on it
How is it fair? Well you legally signed him to a contract that he apparently wasn't worth. Who's fault is that? The Hawks and the Hawks only.

Why on Earth should a team be allowed to escape a bad contract? If you don't want to have a bad contract, well, don't hand one out.

And you're exactly right. The big markets are the only ones making these Huet/Redden mistakes. Start spending your money wisely instead of treating salary like a freeroll and you won't get stuck with the problem, plain and simple.

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10-16-2012, 03:16 PM
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Don't sign a player to too long of a contract. Problem solved

**** happens. Teams shouldn't have an easy bailout for a terrible signing.
Huet signed a 4 yr deal ,, Hardly unreasonable contract length

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Under the new proposal. Would Zajac, and Clarkson still be eligible for UFA this Summer? They will both be 28, but only 7 years of playing rather than the 8.
It'll probably be addressed in a compromise.

If I had to guess, any player on a UFA-to-be contract will be grandfathered in and the 28 year old/8 yea service would begin with players on RFA/ELC contracts. Under those stipulations, Clarkson and Zajac would be UFA in the summer but we'd have Larsson and Henrique for an additional year.

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How is it fair? Well you legally signed him to a contract that he apparently wasn't worth. Who's fault is that? The Hawks and the Hawks only.

Why on Earth should a team be allowed to escape a bad contract? If you don't want to have a bad contract, well, don't hand one out.

And you're exactly right. The big markets are the only ones making these Huet/Redden mistakes. Start spending your money wisely instead of treating salary like a freeroll and you won't get stuck with the problem, plain and simple.
Hawks still pay the player ,, But they shouldn't be held hostage cap wise by a guy riding bus in AHL

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10-16-2012, 03:19 PM
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Under the new proposal. Would Zajac, and Clarkson still be eligible for UFA this Summer? They will both be 28, but only 7 years of playing rather than the 8.
DM from TG after I asked him:

No, they'd have to wait another year.

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I'm am so happy either way!
Don't get too happy yet. I won't believe it until I see it.

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Huet signed a 4 yr deal ,, Hardly unreasonable contract length
4 years for a pedestrian goalie isn't smart

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I find a strange conincidence that just after the NHL hired a PR firm, all this seemingly too-good-to-be-true news breaks out.

I'm not sold. Even if the news is true, which it could be, the players are thinking "we got them caving in" and they are trying to get more and more out of them. Also, the owners win big-time now. Players get absolutely nothing, nothing out of this deal. No incentive for them to do it.

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DM from TG after I asked him:

No, they'd have to wait another year.
Well, I'm all for this proposal now

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DM from TG after I asked him:

No, they'd have to wait another year.
I for one am hoping that's something the players agree to, cause it will be a blessing in disguise for the Devils.

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4 years for a pedestrian goalie isn't smart
I hated Huet signing but he was coming off good year and pretty much carried the Caps to playoffs

He was viewed as legit #1 in NHL at time

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Hawks still pay the player ,, But they shouldn't be held hostage cap wise by a guy riding bus in AHL
Then don't sign an AHL caliber player to a 1-way, 4 year contract.

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Most likely. And of course, Redden could always terminate his contract by refusing to report, and then sign a new one with another team, but he wants the money more than he cares about pride.
I don't believe this is how it works. If Redden refuses to report, he gets suspended by the Rangers and they don't have to pay him anything/he comes off the cap. The contract isn't voided though.

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