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10-16-2012, 12:46 PM
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Im crossing my fingers that this is the start of something positive. We're all sick and tired of random news headings saying "meeting today but not discussing anything important"

The owners (IMO) have realized that with every passing day they are bleeding fan interest and they really cant take that for granted especially in some of the US market.

I'm praying that the PA will follow suit

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10-16-2012, 12:57 PM
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If the ELC contract length is changed does that retroactively apply to Yakupov who hasn't technically played for us yet?

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If the ELC contract length is changed does that retroactively apply to Yakupov who hasn't technically played for us yet?
Probably not.

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10-16-2012, 01:10 PM
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It's a huge offer.

The NHL is willing to keep the current definition of Hockey Related Revenues. 50/50 split.

Also with the NHL offering the NHLPA with a full season starting November 2nd with a one week training camp, it means that players can get the already cancelled games' lost salaries back. And, revenues will stay the same for the year, and the salary reduction with some sort of creative gradual escrow.

Now Fehr and the PA better not come back with a low ball counter, and they better give a reasonable count quick. Otherwise, they are going to look real bad and lots of fans are going to turn on the players, because the fans have a new hope now that the whole season can be saved with no lost games.

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10-16-2012, 01:18 PM
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If the NHLPA comes back with "we like the deal but want 8 years for max contract length", do you think we'll have a deal?

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This is awesome news if not a done deal they can negotiate of this i see a deal by the months end

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I don't see how the players reject this outright.
They get a fair revenue split under the old definition of HRR with no rollbacks (as far as i know) plus they get every paycheck with a full 82 game season that would start on Nov. 2nd (Stupid idea IMO but good for the players financially).
We don't know all the details obviously and the free agency issues will need to be ironed out but they would be stupid to outright deny the proposal, it would also be PR suicide for them. I don't expect them to accept the deal as is but this should be the start of a very serious negotiation process to get this deal done in the next few days.

The one thing i'm not a fan of is the proposed compressed 82 game schedule that would start on November 2nd if they reach a deal quickly. That could lead to some serious injury concerns, just look at what happened in the NBA (a less physical league) with a compressed schedule. It would be crazy if there were back to back to back nights of games but beggars can't be choosers, i'm sure that we all want the NHL back in any way shape or form.

The players should know that this is by far, the best deal that they will get. They should either take it or be prepared to take a much worse deal a year or two or three from now. If they reject this deal, i hope that the league implodes and they have to find employment elsewhere maybe at Burger King flipping burgers.

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10-16-2012, 01:34 PM
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Unless the PA is stupid, we should be playing again by mid-November at the latest I think.

I expect a little bit of back and forth, but this should be a basic frame work for a new CBA.

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If the ELC contract length is changed does that retroactively apply to Yakupov who hasn't technically played for us yet?
unfortunately, it very likely won't... too bad, that would have really helped us... personally though, i'll be very surprised if the players accept all the contract length changes.... but that being said, of all the contract length changes, the ELC one is the most likley one to be accepted by the NHLPA

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10-16-2012, 01:42 PM
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Alright, now we are playing hockey in the neutral zone!!

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10-16-2012, 02:17 PM
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The one thing i'm not a fan of is the proposed compressed 82 game schedule that would start on November 2nd if they reach a deal quickly. That could lead to some serious injury concerns, just look at what happened in the NBA (a less physical league) with a compressed schedule. It would be crazy if there were back to back to back nights of games but beggars can't be choosers, i'm sure that we all want the NHL back in any way shape or form.
Agreed - the NBA season started off pretty horrifically, both for injuries and quality of ball. One difference is that many of the players have been playing in other leagues, whereas the NBA players basically skipped training camp and went right into the regular season.

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10-16-2012, 02:23 PM
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Agreed - the NBA season started off pretty horrifically, both for injuries and quality of ball. One difference is that many of the players have been playing in other leagues, whereas the NBA players basically skipped training camp and went right into the regular season.
Its one extra game every 5 weeks? shouldnt be a big deal.

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10-16-2012, 02:36 PM
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Pretty much sounds like a full season rests on the shoulders of the players.

I'm interested in hearing how this deal actually helps the owners though.. 50/50 and no rollback doesn't seem like it would be enough considering all the whining they've been doing.

PA will probably do something stupid and counter with getting 52%.

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Anyone think a deal can be reached in the next couple of days?

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I feel there will be some phasing in and some rollback of salaries when it finally gets done. Good to see some movement though.

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This is what I feel is going to happen. They'll set a date for negotiations and we're going to see some June 2005-esque hard negotiating. The NHLPA will come back with 8-9 year contracts, 3 year ELC's and maybe accept the additional year of RFA status. It'll get done early next week.

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Pretty much sounds like a full season rests on the shoulders of the players.

I'm interested in hearing how this deal actually helps the owners though.. 50/50 and no rollback doesn't seem like it would be enough considering all the whining they've been doing.
What whining?

Their share here would go from about 1.48B projected to 1.75B projected, on top of favorable changes to contract length, free agency and entry level deals. The money would go into escrow, I'm sure, but we still have no idea how the paybacks would occur (if they even are guaranteed).

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I feel there will be some phasing in and some rollback of salaries when it finally gets done. Good to see some movement though.
The NHL is pursuing no form of rollback. Will not happen.

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Anyone think a deal can be reached in the next couple of days?
It's not outside the realm of possibility but I doubt it will get done that quickly. I expect a deal to get done by late next week.

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10-16-2012, 02:50 PM
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What whining?

Their share here would go from about 1.48B projected to 1.75B projected, on top of favorable changes to contract length, free agency and entry level deals. The money would go into escrow, I'm sure, but we still have no idea how the paybacks would occur (if they even are guaranteed).
Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib
Confirmed a couple details: There would still be escrow because hockey related revenue for the upcoming year is obviously projection
Rollback: Players made $1.883 bill last year. Diff. between that & 50/50 split for Yr 1would be deferred and paid back over life of contract
So, if a player lost, say, has contract trimmed $1 million and is on a 10-year deal, he would get 100K a year extra for the next 10 years.

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10m Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice
If a player is on a 1-year contract, that deferred money will be paid back after the contract expires.
9m Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice
Then, the same rules regarding escrow to assure owners of their split of HRR will apply as under expired CBA.
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Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice
The hope is the deferred payments will be covered by revenue growth.
Details

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10-16-2012, 03:00 PM
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Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib
Confirmed a couple details: There would still be escrow because hockey related revenue for the upcoming year is obviously projection
Rollback: Players made $1.883 bill last year. Diff. between that & 50/50 split for Yr 1would be deferred and paid back over life of contract
So, if a player lost, say, has contract trimmed $1 million and is on a 10-year deal, he would get 100K a year extra for the next 10 years.
As long as the payback isn't contingent on revenue growth, I can't see why the players wouldn't accept this premise.

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I don't see how the players reject this outright.
They get a fair revenue split under the old definition of HRR with no rollbacks (as far as i know) plus they get every paycheck with a full 82 game season that would start on Nov. 2nd (Stupid idea IMO but good for the players financially).
We don't know all the details obviously and the free agency issues will need to be ironed out but they would be stupid to outright deny the proposal, it would also be PR suicide for them. I don't expect them to accept the deal as is but this should be the start of a very serious negotiation process to get this deal done in the next few days.

The one thing i'm not a fan of is the proposed compressed 82 game schedule that would start on November 2nd if they reach a deal quickly. That could lead to some serious injury concerns, just look at what happened in the NBA (a less physical league) with a compressed schedule. It would be crazy if there were back to back to back nights of games but beggars can't be choosers, i'm sure that we all want the NHL back in any way shape or form.

The players should know that this is by far, the best deal that they will get. They should either take it or be prepared to take a much worse deal a year or two or three from now. If they reject this deal, i hope that the league implodes and they have to find employment elsewhere maybe at Burger King flipping burgers.
If they don't get a deal done out of this that defiantly is PR suicide. They get the 50/50 HRR they wanted no roll backs and 82 games of pay checks ..... They have to bend on entry level contract length and such. The owners should have a fare amount of time to develop there draft picks and fit them into there team plans and its also opens up a wider trade market because trading partners are going to have a better idea on the players there trading and trading for.

As far as the compressed season go's, I personally don't feel that one extra game every 35 day is that much of a consern.

Get it done NHLPA!

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Great news,hopefully the NHLPA will accept this pending deal!

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10-16-2012, 03:44 PM
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today was a normal game day in germany. my hometown team got jamie benn on the roster for the lockout, he was a healthy scratch. briere and giroux are playing for berlin atm, same thing there, healthy scratches... could be a sign...

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I hope it never does with entitled jerks like Horcoff playing in the league.

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today was a normal game day in germany. my hometown team got jamie benn on the roster for the lockout, he was a healthy scratch. briere and giroux are playing for berlin atm, same thing there, healthy scratches... could be a sign...
Says next games arent till the 19th?

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