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10-16-2012, 12:20 PM
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If the new offer doesn't alter the owners' FA demands I doubt the players bite. I believe the NHLPA wants a more concrete definition of HRR too. At least we're moving towards something everyone can start working around, if everyone is willing to talk.

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10-16-2012, 12:23 PM
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The other key is what systemic issues -- entry level restrictions, salary arb, contract terms/structure -- the NHL has moved on
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If the players take 50-50...offers on other keys issues as follows...
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Free Agency would be at 28 and 8 years of service.
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Entry Level Contracts would be 4 years in Length
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Revenue sharing would be at or near 200 million dollars
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Contract Lengths would be 5 years.
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The only core issue that remains intact from previous NHL offers is the length on contracts (on all new deals).


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82 game season in one less month. That's no fun. Kimmo will be dead.

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If the NHLPA reject this deal they will look like the greedy ones.

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10-16-2012, 12:42 PM
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82 game season in one less month. That's no fun. Kimmo will be dead.
Yep. I'd rather have them drop a few games.

Also, it doesn't look like this offer changes revenue sharing enough to fix the problems. We'd likely see yet another lockout when the deal runs out.

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10-16-2012, 12:46 PM
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82 game season in one less month. That's no fun. Kimmo will be dead.

Kimmo doesnt have to play all 82 games.

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82 game season in one less month. That's no fun. Kimmo will be dead.
would they just push everything back a month or would they try and get in 4 games a week and have the playoff schedule like normal. Im not a fan of compacting the schedule and try and play more games a week. guys are going to get hurt.
maybe they expand the NHL rosters by a player or 2?
If the owners are insistant on not pushing the schedule its going to be interesting if they can work the extra games per week with the NBA, concerts ect. I think that extra game per week could make for a scheduling nightmare. Unless thry have a plan already worked out for that.

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Yep. I'd rather have them drop a few games.

Also, it doesn't look like this offer changes revenue sharing enough to fix the problems. We'd likely see yet another lockout when the deal runs out.
according to various media reports twitter ect the proposed deal would be for a 82 game schedule. which hopefully isnt a sticking point.

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5 yr contracts could hold up this deal getting done...

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10-16-2012, 12:57 PM
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5 yr contracts could hold up this deal getting done...
Yeah I can see how the contract year limit would be the killing blow to this offer. If they agree to it though by the time a 5 year deal is done the CBA is going to come up shortly after that and it is possible there will be another lock out with one issue being, of course, contract length limits.

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10-16-2012, 01:05 PM
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At the very least this is a step in the right direction, but the NHLPA has a gun to their head. If they decline this, IMO, they piss away any chance at not losing some of the money they're owed.

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10-16-2012, 01:07 PM
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I'm glad they are getting talking again. 50/50 is exactly where it should be at.

I also like the idea of salvaging the 82 game season.

Hopefully this deal closes it.

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10-16-2012, 01:17 PM
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Its funny how the owners want 5 yr deals but before they were giving out long term deal like candy now they want 5yr length..

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5 yr contracts could hold up this deal getting done...
If the players counter with everything the same, but a 7 year max on contracts, I'd bet we still have a deal. This offer from the NHL is worlds better than their last offers and certainly in the ballpark on reasonable.

Rather than reject this offer, I hope the players respond with a "We will accept if" and look at a couple of the contract term issues (max length, team control till 28, etc).

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10-16-2012, 01:26 PM
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A contract max is necessary to reign in these 10 and 12 year deals designed to circumvent the cap.

Edit: I just realized re-alignment isn't being discussed. I guess that will be tackled after a CBA gets signed.


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@GlobeKPD: Fehr: ''Would like to believe after we are done [with review]....that it's an excellent starting point and there's a deal to be made.''

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10-16-2012, 01:37 PM
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5 year max is pretty short. Players should at least ask for 6

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I think that 7 yr max deals is more than fair. It at least gives players something and gives teams some room to stretch contracts to get under the cap.

Honestly though, they should just make it so that if the deal goes beyond age 35, it counts as a 35+ contract. That way teams are punished for these deals that obviously won't be played out in their entirety.

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10-16-2012, 01:54 PM
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This is probably the most progress in a long time isn't it?

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10-16-2012, 02:13 PM
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I think that 7 yr max deals is more than fair. It at least gives players something and gives teams some room to stretch contracts to get under the cap.

Honestly though, they should just make it so that if the deal goes beyond age 35, it counts as a 35+ contract. That way teams are punished for these deals that obviously won't be played out in their entirety.
If the loophole is there the agents want to expose it as much as the owners. There is going to be some negotiating on these issues, but I think this as far as HRR goes this is the best possible solution for both parties here.

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10-16-2012, 03:05 PM
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Definitely encouraging, but I am stuck by the 5 year contract proposal. 7 seems reasonable. It will be interesting to see what happens with cap hits--but they should go up considerably--hopefully not to NHL 13 levels, but significantly nonetheless.

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10-16-2012, 03:42 PM
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The max contract length is going to make the UFA market much more interesting since the big market teams can't just front load deals.

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10-16-2012, 03:44 PM
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i hope hockey starts november 2nd. PLEASE ACCEPT THE OFFER NHLPA.

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It is said in the owners latest proposal, THEY want one way contracts buried in the AHL(Redden) to count against the cap, but the players will fight against it.

What's the reasoning from each side?

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It is said in the owners latest proposal, THEY want one way contracts buried in the AHL(Redden) to count against the cap, but the players will fight against it.

What's the reasoning from each side?
Well, the players--it's pretty easy: Redden still gets paid, and he frees up, what, $6 million or something for someone else.

The owners? I would imagine its a small market thing. They see it (rightly) as an unfair advantage

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