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10-16-2012, 04:49 AM
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Exactly. I still hope the best for the guy, but I wanted him gone just so they would quit posting... And I was far from the only one that felt that way. Hell, if those people stopped posting I'm sure most people would gladly take him back (assuming he became BFF's with a 6'6 #2 C that would come and make up for his lack of size lol)
what's funny is that I said right from the start that Tom Renney couldn't stand the kid, and people seem to figure that out after 2 seasons...

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10-16-2012, 08:41 AM
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I think it was more a case of Alex Giroux's lack of skating ability that kiboshed any chance he had of playing in the NHL, not his listening skills. Unless his legs wouldn't listen to him.
As was the case with Schremp and as was the case with Eberle.

Notice what happens when you work on something the team tells you and what happens when you don't?

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10-16-2012, 08:43 AM
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Easily one of Renney's most mystifying decisions of last season, imo. We had every reason in the world to play Omark at the end, and we just didn't. No explanation.

That being said he was coming off a bad ankle injury. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Omark is closer to 100% now, than he was nearing the end of last season.

Personally, I'd like to see him destroy the Swiss league and catch the eye of an NHL scout who thinks he can improve their top 6. Just because he doesn't have a spot here doesn't mean he is valueless around the league. He could be a flashy scorer for a Southern team looking to put butts in seats.
At that time of year Steve Tambellenni could've stepped in and made Renney use him, he didn't.

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10-16-2012, 08:47 AM
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omark is not a bad player in the NHL his problem is he is a tweener.

should play the top 6 at the NHL level but he is not quite as good as the top 6 or 9 we have at the moment.

there just isnt the opportunity for him.

he could be a press box player but we have those reserved for tough guys

there is nothing wrong with omark he just isnt a better player than the players ahead of him.

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i think if given the right situation could be a good player in the NHL for a few years. i dont see him having a long NHL career unless he can carve out a niche. which he is very close to doing....pp specialist/ shoot out specialist/ 4th line

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10-16-2012, 09:07 AM
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omark is not a bad player in the NHL his problem is he is a tweener.

should play the top 6 at the NHL level but he is not quite as good as the top 6 or 9 we have at the moment.

there just isnt the opportunity for him.

he could be a press box player but we have those reserved for tough guys

there is nothing wrong with omark he just isnt a better player than the players ahead of him.

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i think if given the right situation could be a good player in the NHL for a few years. i dont see him having a long NHL career unless he can carve out a niche. which he is very close to doing....pp specialist/ shoot out specialist/ 4th line
The Oilers have an embarrassment of riches on the wings, I don't even see a spot for PRV here anymore. Not enough offense for the top 6 and not enough jam for the bottom 6.

I've tried to imagine him being a defensive conscience and puck retriever who could just be slightly useful on offense to compliment a line with 2 good players but it's painful to watch him in the offensive zone and he's soft as Hemsky. He has nhl speed and he's blah in every other category.

I dunno if patience is going to pay off here, we have zero need for what he brings to the table and I'm not even sure what that is. If he has trade value right now I think we need to pounce on that.

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10-16-2012, 09:58 AM
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You start out by admitting you don't know that he's still Oilers property. Not sure how you expect people to listen to any of your points after that. Sounds like you are just trolling.
You have the right to not read anything I say. Just like I have the right to not take anything you say seriously. I gave my opinion on the guy. If you don't like it or agree with it, either come back with something intelligent (if you can) as a rebuttal, or stay put.

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10-16-2012, 11:53 AM
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At that time of year Steve Tambellenni could've stepped in and made Renney use him, he didn't.
It's true that Tambo has that power, but does that actually happen? I can't think of too many times I have heard that a GM overruled a coach on a coaching decision. Am I wrong?

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It's true that Tambo has that power, but does that actually happen? I can't think of too many times I have heard that a GM overruled a coach on a coaching decision. Am I wrong?
Not the same, but they did do it when JDD went to the AHL and that was mid-season was it not?

I have to think that you can overrule your coach when the games mean nothing and you plan on firing the coach anyway.

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10-16-2012, 05:18 PM
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Weird to see Omark with 16 points in 12 games and even, while Seguin having 5 point in 7 games and -6.
Maybe if Boston adds a 2nd we can send them Omark

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10-16-2012, 05:20 PM
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I'll be sure to take your opinions with a grain of salt from now on then.

Who knows when you may be letting the enthusiasm of some poster here on hfoil (misguided or not) get in the way of appreciating and evaluating a player based on what he can do on the ice.

What an unpleasant post.

If you would take your Canada-centric goggles off for a second you might find that you could learn something from posters who have a different take on a player ... or shockingly, may actually know more about a particular player than you do.

Go Linus .... make folks like this eat crow please !
So if multiple posters are saying it was his euro entourage that was obsessed with him that soured some oiler fans on him im not sure how that leads to canadian centric goggles. Have you not seen the Yakupov or Klefbom thread where people have hard ons they are so excited. Or are those players secretly canadian?

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So if multiple posters are saying it was his euro entourage that was obsessed with him that soured some oiler fans on him im not sure how that leads to canadian centric goggles. Have you not seen the Yakupov or Klefbom thread where people have hard ons they are so excited. Or are those players secretly canadian?
Klefbom isn't such an controversial player as Omark. In many aspects it wasn't good for him with the hype and being a "youtube sensation". His good confidence (which he later lost...) didn't work well with some fans (or coach).

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Linus has two assist tonight in the European Throphy game.
Zetterberg now plays center with him and Brunner. Z scored in his first game.
Side note; Jason Spezza had four assists in the opponents team.

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10-16-2012, 06:02 PM
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Linus has two assist tonight in the European Throphy game.
Zetterberg now plays center with him and Brunner. Z scored in his first game.
Side note; Jason Spezza had four assists in the opponents team.
You got the games confused.
Omark's two assists, an Spezza's four, came in Saturday's NLA game, in which Zetterberg didn't play.
Linus had three assists in tonight's European Trophy game, in which Zetterberg scored a goal (and there was no Spezza around).

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10-16-2012, 07:05 PM
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Not the same, but they did do it when JDD went to the AHL and that was mid-season was it not?

I have to think that you can overrule your coach when the games mean nothing and you plan on firing the coach anyway.
That would be assuming Tambo knew at the end of the season he wasn't bringing Renney back. I'm pretty convinced he really doesn't know what he's going to do, until the moment of.

But I do agree, that should have been done. I just don't know if there are NHL protocols it contravenes or something.

Regardless of who made it, the decision to sit Omark at the end when he could have been getting some views by NHL scouts was a poor one.

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You got the games confused.
Omark's two assists, an Spezza's four, came in Saturday's NLA game, in which Zetterberg didn't play.
Linus had three assists in tonight's European Trophy game, in which Zetterberg scored a goal (and there was no Spezza around).
Thanks for the reports. Tear it up, Linus!


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I'm happy to see Linus bouncing back after such a horrible season. I hope he can take the tools he did get in AHL/NHL and add some confidence to it so he might get another chance to play in the big league. His main issue in the NHL was his speed followed by his defensive play. He did get better defensively and i hope he got faster although i'm not a strong believer.

When he was on top of his game he sure was entertaining and maybe that could be an asset to some teams! =)

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10-16-2012, 07:54 PM
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You have the right to not read anything I say. Just like I have the right to not take anything you say seriously. I gave my opinion on the guy. If you don't like it or agree with it, either come back with something intelligent (if you can) as a rebuttal, or stay put.
I'm pretty sure that an intelligent argument isn't what you're looking for. I was challenging the value of your opinion not the fact that you have one...

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I'd rather hear about Omark playing on the PK than scoring. We all know he can score at a PPG+ in any league besides the NHL and decent in the NHL, if he went and tried to work on improving his defense, he could probably find an NHL job pretty quick

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I think its because of the Omark fan boys that flooded this forum when he played in Edmonton, they would continually claim he was god and that the Oilers weren't giving him chances and what not. They were so annoying, it soured me on Omark a bit.
this was my problem, After seeing him play in person here in Europe I made my views clear before he stepped foot in the NHL--but it was made clear I had no idea what I was talking about. Some people with some players want to see what they want to see. Look at me and Brule, took me awhile to realize that he was not the player I had hoped he was. Omark size and style of play was always meant for European ice and not NHL style. The game played here in Europe is different than that played in North America--I love the size of the ice here in Europe and wished that as the NHL teams got new arena over the last 15 years they would have made the ice size European style. I think the game would have opened up more.

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So if multiple posters are saying it was his euro entourage that was obsessed with him that soured some oiler fans on him im not sure how that leads to canadian centric goggles. Have you not seen the Yakupov or Klefbom thread where people have hard ons they are so excited. Or are those players secretly canadian?
This I disagree with 100% Most of us here in Europe all had the same concern when it came to him in the NHL. The goggles came on from the people who saw his highlights and not full games

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I read a post on youtube from Prendergasts son on a video regarding the Oilers. His name was something like 'Prenderg00b' if I recall and it was on an Oilers related video. I don't think anyone would go to that length to pretend to be the son of KP, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that is him.

He wrote something along the lines of 'tambellini told my dad linus omark didn't have the talent to ever make it in the nhl' upon firing him. I will look for the video with it if anyone cares enough to be curious.

I hate to form an opinion based on this but it doesn't seem completely impossible to me that Tambellini didn't want to do everything he could to help Omark's success. No one likes to look dumb after making a statement like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Kdtm1cnY0

here it is. maybe i'm a bit off base and it doesn't really matter at this point, but whatever.

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I read a post on youtube from Prendergasts son on a video regarding the Oilers. His name was something like 'Prenderg00b' if I recall and it was on an Oilers related video. I don't think anyone would go to that length to pretend to be the son of KP, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that is him.

He wrote something along the lines of 'tambellini told my dad linus omark didn't have the talent to ever make it in the nhl' upon firing him. I will look for the video with it if anyone cares enough to be curious.

I hate to form an opinion based on this but it doesn't seem completely impossible to me that Tambellini didn't want to do everything he could to help Omark's success. No one likes to look dumb after making a statement like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Kdtm1cnY0

here it is. maybe i'm a bit off base and it doesn't really matter at this point, but whatever.
He also mentioned the drafting of Eberle as Prendergast's pick, is that true? Wasn't that the first year without KP?

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He also mentioned the drafting of Eberle as Prendergast's pick, is that true? Wasn't that the first year without KP?
Yeah I saw that. He was already canned by that point.

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I'd rather hear about Omark playing on the PK than scoring. We all know he can score at a PPG+ in any league besides the NHL and decent in the NHL, if he went and tried to work on improving his defense, he could probably find an NHL job pretty quick
Bolded for silliness. As if any GM/coach in the NHL who'd hire Omark would be impressed by him on the PK. He's an offensive player, pure and simple. He's got to prove that he's an elite offensive player to get another shot at the big show. Period. He's finished if he's not putting up big numbers in lesser leagues.

Looks like he's doing just that.

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So if multiple posters are saying it was his euro entourage that was obsessed with him that soured some oiler fans on him im not sure how that leads to canadian centric goggles.
Discounting the opinions of posters who have seen the player A LOT more than anyone in Canada. Actually, not even just discounting their opinions, straight up calling them fanboys and wishing that they would just get the hell off your board. Seems pretty Canada-centric to me.

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Have you not seen the Yakupov or Klefbom thread where people have hard ons they are so excited. Or are those players secretly canadian?
Not talking about comments on the players ... talking about the rude comments directed at European fans of the Oilers.

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10-17-2012, 07:51 AM
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it would be nice to see omark rip it up this year and increase his trade value.

the oilers are holding his rights for a reason.

maybe he takes over for hemsky next year! maybe we trade him or package him in a trade for an up grade on d.

its hard to say. but what is for sure is we as oilerfans need to remember to cheer for this guy not put him down...well at least until he is out of the organization officially.

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Bolded for silliness. As if any GM/coach in the NHL who'd hire Omark would be impressed by him on the PK. He's an offensive player, pure and simple. He's got to prove that he's an elite offensive player to get another shot at the big show. Period. He's finished if he's not putting up big numbers in lesser leagues.

Looks like he's doing just that.
While I somewhat agree with you, there are many elite offensive players in the NHL that were forced to play two-way hockey and because of it they became better all around players.

It also allows them to play in the league longer once they lose that step and can no longer be elite offensive players, but can be responsible two-way players.

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