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10-16-2012, 01:34 AM
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The only thing funny I can find so far related to the lockout.


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10-16-2012, 01:40 AM
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Walk from hotel bar to Coyote Joe's, take cab to Tim's Toyota Center to catch the game, cab back to Coyote Joe's, pub crawl the Whiskey row. Yeah, sounds excellent.

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10-16-2012, 08:14 AM
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We're going to the game on the 27th, spending the night in Prescott without the kids. Maybe as we get closer to the date, more Coyotes will sign and it will be just as good as an NHL game. Maybe.

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10-16-2012, 09:17 AM
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We're going to the game on the 27th, spending the night in Prescott without the kids. Maybe as we get closer to the date, more Coyotes will sign and it will be just as good as an NHL game. Maybe.
You might get Paul Bissonnette, but that's about it.

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10-16-2012, 11:50 AM
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Bettman says offer contingent on having 82-game season which would begin Nov 2. Says league offered 50/50 share of HRR
I dont care how it ends but my expectations for the PA are low considering going from 57% to 50% is a big drop.

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10-16-2012, 03:04 PM
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Maybe I'm just jaded and/or ignorant but this latest "50/50" offer seems more like a really clever PR grab, than anything else. Last I checked these guys couldn't even agree on what the definition of HRR actually was or what 50% even meant. Makes sense for the BOG, though. Their first offer was seen as more of a slap in the face than a good faith offer and the latest one smacks of a bully offer, really. It looks GREAT in a headline. Fifty/fifty just sounds so reasonable, doesn't it? All anyone is talking about is that the owners really want 82 games. If the players don't work something out based on this offer they are going to look REALLY bad REGARDLESS of whether it's actually a good offer, or not. Public perception is definitely now on the side of the owners.

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10-16-2012, 05:14 PM
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Maybe I'm just jaded and/or ignorant but this latest "50/50" offer seems more like a really clever PR grab, than anything else.... Public perception is definitely now on the side of the owners.
Very much so.

http://deadspin.com/5951872/inside-a...out-propaganda

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10-16-2012, 05:49 PM
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After re-reading my post I should mention that I'm totally in favor of the owners and I think the players would be ridiculously lucky to get even the first offer the owners had tabled, that every gasped at. I feel even that one was way too sweet for the players.

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Everything on that seems fine, I think if I was a player or GM I would want the contract length cap to be 8 years though.

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I've thought 50/50 was the owner's target all along. They just had to make it look like a big concession on their part. To do that they had to start lower, put a bunch of other items on the table they knew they'd eventually remove and put the player's backs against the wall as to when they start losing checks. So now they've put a 50/50 offer on the table that doesn't change much of the rest of the old CBA and only gave the players a couple days to accept it and still play all 82 games. If the players accept this the owners win in a land slide which is why I don't think they will.

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I also want to mention for anyone that hasn't been to a Sun Dogs game. All the bars in and around the Toyota Center seem to do a good job of supporting the local team. By that, I mean dollar drinks at pretty much every place I stopped in at on game day.

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10-16-2012, 07:20 PM
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We're going to the game on the 27th, spending the night in Prescott without the kids. Maybe as we get closer to the date, more Coyotes will sign and it will be just as good as an NHL game. Maybe.
Chipchura is going to look like a dominant Hanzal and Schlemko will displaying Lidstrom like poise out there. Don't mean to rag on any professional team but the talent level just isn't very high. Minor hockey has it's benefits though. Last time there was a big line brawl at the end and the crowd despite being small is very engaged.

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10-16-2012, 07:25 PM
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Whiskey Row is like a ten minute cab ride away, right?

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10-16-2012, 07:30 PM
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Chipchura is going to look like a dominant Hanzal and Schlemko will displaying Lidstrom like poise out there. Don't mean to rag on any professional team but the talent level just isn't very high. Minor hockey has it's benefits though. Last time there was a big line brawl at the end and the crowd despite being small is very engaged.
Chip is going to play for the Sun Dogs as well?

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So it sounds like the NHL is using the same HRR definitions existing in the previous CBA. This surprises me. I expected the whole 50% thing to be a complete red herring meant only to convince the masses that the NHL was trying to make everything all "even steven" (despite the devil in the details). In this case, this doesn't seem like a terrible offer. Gain an entire year's salary, give up 7% (overall, by the end of the term), and lose a little bit on ELC, UFA, and term limit. I bet ELC and UFA end up staying the same in the new CBA as they were in the old one, anyway. Term limit probably goes to six years, which is totally fine. Sounds like the NHL offer has some salary retention for trade purposes, too, which is great for have-not owners, all GMs and all players. That, to me, probably really helps soften the term limit blow.

Can someone explain to me how a final deal where the HRR(previous CBA definition) split stays 50/50, the ELC and UFA terms are the same as the previous CBA, the contract term limit is 6yrs, and there is an allowance for salary retention for the purposes of trade is not completely fair for the players? Or at least good enough to get the damn season started and a six year CBA signed with some mutual re-up clauses?

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I'm not sure where to put this, but with the Sundogs talk, I figured here is alright.

I've been thinking about making the trip up to Prescott either with a few friends, or possibly taking a date to go watch a Dogs game. Where is the best place to buy tickets for them? Online? At the gate? I assume they don't sell out?

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I'm not sure where to put this, but with the Sundogs talk, I figured here is alright.

I've been thinking about making the trip up to Prescott either with a few friends, or possibly taking a date to go watch a Dogs game. Where is the best place to buy tickets for them? Online? At the gate? I assume they don't sell out?
http://www.arizonasundogs.com/tickets/individual/

Info at the link and they draw pretty well up there. It helps as well that they won a title not too long ago as well.

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While we're on the Sundogs...I did my journalism capstone project on them last year, and it was awesome. Got inside access for a couple of games and practices, and all of them were extremely helpful and considerate. The fans up there are really passionate too, despite the trend of smaller crowds.

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The fans up there are really passionate too, despite the trend of smaller crowds.
It is in Prescott, how big of a crowd can they realistically expect?

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Chip is going to play for the Sun Dogs as well?
http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm...id=DL|PHX|home

It's on the Sun Dogs website as well.

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It is in Prescott, how big of a crowd can they realistically expect?
Realistically people should expect anywhere from 3-4 thousand people. I think it can almost sit 6 but not entirely sure. They have a great fan base and they really know how to have a good time.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407541

This is a very, very reasonable offer. The players will likely want more revenue sharing built in (from what I can tell, the 7% reduction in player HRR share is essentially accounting for what the NHL is calling revenue sharing in this proposal), and they'll probably look to get that five yr. max contract length increased to seven (maybe settle on six, but potentially willing to give on ELC to take on max length). Everything looks totally reasonable.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407541

I mean, if the HRR language remains the same, than it's legitimately 50/50 and the details do NOT appear AT ALL devilish. Plus, they get paid to player hockey in the NHL this season.

NHL PR stunt or not, the NHLPA would be stupid not to accept something similar to this deal before the NHL's deadline. Wiggle a bit, and make minor tweaks, but if they don't basically accept this offer, they have only themselves to blame for how badly they are going to get boned both in terms of future compensation and in public image.

I honestly believe that if the players don't work something out based on this latest NHL offer in the next couple of weeks to get started in November, that it will be the best offer they ever receive. If this new CBA gets sorted out in December or next summer, the NHLPA will be getting a much worse deal.

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This is a very, very reasonable offer. The players will likely want more revenue sharing built in (from what I can tell, the 7% reduction in player HRR share is essentially accounting for what the NHL is calling revenue sharing in this proposal), and they'll probably look to get that five yr. max contract length increased to seven (maybe settle on six, but potentially willing to give on ELC to take on max length). Everything looks totally reasonable.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407541

I mean, if the HRR language remains the same, than it's legitimately 50/50 and the details do NOT appear AT ALL devilish. Plus, they get paid to player hockey in the NHL this season.

NHL PR stunt or not, the NHLPA would be stupid not to accept something similar to this deal before the NHL's deadline. Wiggle a bit, and make minor tweaks, but if they don't basically accept this offer, they have only themselves to blame for how badly they are going to get boned both in terms of future compensation and in public image.

I honestly believe that if the players don't work something out based on this latest NHL offer in the next couple of weeks to get started in November, that it will be the best offer they ever receive. If this new CBA gets sorted out in December or next summer, the NHLPA will be getting a much worse deal.
I don't see Fehr accepting "reasonable", mark my words, he's going to make this as nasty of a fight as possible.

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I don't see Fehr accepting "reasonable", mark my words, he's going to make this as nasty of a fight as possible.
I fear (or is it fair?) the same. I believe Fehr's ego to be the problem and the players fools for buying into him.

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I fear (or is it fair?) the same. I believe Fehr's ego to be the problem and the players fools for buying into him.
The players brought into him based on his track record with MLB and the fact that the previous NHLPA President had sold out the players by letting the NHL get the salary cap they wanted.

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Whiskey Row is like a ten minute cab ride away, right?
15 minutes if you are lucky. Highway 69 is flooded with stop lights between Prescott Valley and Prescott.

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