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06-29-2012, 06:13 AM
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No ****. I know how the cap is calculated. I said that there wouldn't be rollbacks if the cap only goes down a little. You are the one who disagreed. Let me spell it out for you.

If the cap goes down, that means players will get less money. Raising the cap floor would help to offset that because the cap floor teams would have to spend more money.
Sorry dude, but that's just not correct.

I don't get the attitude, why don't you just read what I write (you clearly had misunderstood this)???

The players will get x % of HRR, no matter what the cap floor is or what teams are spending. You could have a cap of 75m - 100m, and all you would get is a gigantic escrow. Raising the floor does not give the players as a group more money.

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If there is a rollback, players on existing contracts will get less money than they would have otherwise. Gaborik is scheduled to make 7.5 mil next season. If there is a 10% rollback, he will only make 6.75 mil and his cap hit will go from 7.5 to 6.75 as well.
It is true that players on existing contracts will get less if there is a rollback. But the players who signs new contracts will cent for cent receive that money instead.

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That's exactly what happened after the last CBA. All existing contracts were rolled back 24%. That means that those players made 24% less than they would have without the rollback.

What part of that are you not understanding?
I am sorry again GAGline, but this is absolutely not the case.

If there would have been no roll-back last time, i) teams would have been forced to dump contracts in the AHL (still affecting the HHR, right?), ii) very few teams could have signed RFA's or UFA's in the summer of 05', iii) there would have been a gigantic escrow. I think the escrow after the 05/06 season was 3.5-4.% reveresed (IE, the NHL gave back all escrow paid, and the players got more money back after the season (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2596571)). I don't know how much money was on the books, and how much more would have been spent, but we surely would have seen escrow numbers of what, 15-20%, if there wouldn't have been a roll back. Most teams would have been right up against the cap.

The players would not have received one cent more if there wouldn't have been a roll back. The players with existing contracts would definitly not have made 100% on existing contarcts pre-lockout as opposed to 24% less after the roll-back, because they would have been forced to put a big portion of their salaries in escrow and the NHL would have taken that money after the season.

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I said that there wouldn't be rollbacks if the cap only goes down a little. You are the one who disagreed. Let me spell it out for you.
You are allowed to quote me on this, because I don't remember saying that. I said that I personally think the motives for a roll-back if the cap goes down only a little, is as big as if the cap goes down alot. At the same time, I also pointed out that its a majority decision for the PA and that the majority always stands to gain at not having a roll back. It also depends on how moderate teams are this off-season, and we have no way of knowing how moderate they are as of yet. If the cap only goes down a little, I definitely wouldn't bet on a roll back. I think it would have made sense, but I would not bet on it because they downside for the FA's are so much smaller. Its easier to screw them. We actually agree on this!


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The NHL never proposed a rollback in their proposals in 2004. Bob Goodenow came up with the 24% as a way of ending the lockout and not accepting a cap. The stupid players association came around to accepting when it was too late to save the season and then the NHL insisted on the rollback as part of the deal. If the NHLPA had agreed to the NHL deal in the summer of 2004,there is no 24% rollback.

The upper limit was $64.3M. If that number is kept for 12-13 and 13-14 and if it drops to $62M,no need for a rollback. Don't spend to $70M this summer. Show some financial restraint. The NBA players accepted a % cut. No rollback. The cap in 11-12 and 12-13 can't be lower than the 10-11 cap of $58M. The minimum payroll was raised. Revenue sharing dollars increased. Those dollars go towards teams reaching the minimum payroll. They have a different name than the NHL. They don't call it the floor. If there is a lockout and 1/2 the season is lost,they will set the cap for the rest of 12-13 and 13-14. The 13-14 cap is based on 12-13 revenue and they cap will plummet if its not a set number.

Each % point represents $30M.

NBA deal established the parameters for the NHL deal.

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The NHL never proposed a rollback in their proposals in 2004. Bob Goodenow came up with the 24% as a way of ending the lockout and not accepting a cap. The stupid players association came around to accepting when it was too late to save the season and then the NHL insisted on the rollback as part of the deal. If the NHLPA had agreed to the NHL deal in the summer of 2004,there is no 24% rollback.

The upper limit was $64.3M. If that number is kept for 12-13 and 13-14 and if it drops to $62M,no need for a rollback. Don't spend to $70M this summer. Show some financial restraint. The NBA players accepted a % cut. No rollback. The cap in 11-12 and 12-13 can't be lower than the 10-11 cap of $58M. The minimum payroll was raised. Revenue sharing dollars increased. Those dollars go towards teams reaching the minimum payroll. They have a different name than the NHL. They don't call it the floor. If there is a lockout and 1/2 the season is lost,they will set the cap for the rest of 12-13 and 13-14. The 13-14 cap is based on 12-13 revenue and they cap will plummet if its not a set number.

Each % point represents $30M.

NBA deal established the parameters for the NHL deal.
Fehr was hired for entirely different purposes than being bent over like you constantly insinuate- we will all see what happens but I do not believe that the cap goes down or even stays the same. Just my opinion tho

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Fehr was hired for entirely different purposes than being bent over like you constantly insinuate- we will all see what happens but I do not believe that the cap goes down or even stays the same. Just my opinion tho
Fehr is going to have a hard time stopping the owners from reducing the player share after both the NFL and NBA did it.

It won't be the bloodbath it was in 2005, but the union is going to have to make some concessions, as will the owners.

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Fehr was hired for entirely different purposes than being bent over like you constantly insinuate- we will all see what happens but I do not believe that the cap goes down or even stays the same. Just my opinion tho
Then there won't be a season in 12-13. Bettman and Batterman have already shown they are willing to cancel an entire season to get what they want. The NBA and NFL players took a % cut. Batterman(outside counsel) represents the NHL and NFL. He was driving force behind the NFL lockout. How did that work out for the players? They got their ***** handed to them.

What did Bill Guerin say?

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There was not a single NHL player during the Great Lockout of 2004-05 who was a bigger proponent of the union's fight than this man. No one believed in the cause more than Guerin, and to hear him admit this is a bit stunning.

"I learned a big lesson: It's not a partnership. It's their league, and you are going to play when they want," he said.
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"We could have waited two years and they would have waited us out -- I would have given an extra 2 percent back to play that year," Guerin said. "When you are in the heat of battle, and you are fired up, you don't think what they are doing is right. But it's not about what is right or wrong -- it's their league. It's theirs. I feel, personally, I didn't like guys giving up a year of their career, for what? A few less bucks? Guys are making more money now than they ever have."
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Fehr is going to have a hard time stopping the owners from reducing the player share after both the NFL and NBA did it.

It won't be the bloodbath it was in 2005, but the union is going to have to make some concessions, as will the owners.
Some people are so naive about this stuff.

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RangerBoy- One can only hope that the PA, maybe even as opposed to the NFLPA or NBAPA, actually has some leverage this time.

Undoubtedly, many NHL org's are in worse shape than their fellow pro org's in those leagues. I am convinced that Bettman's threatment of PHX is driven by an fear that if he starts letting these teams force their way and move -- many others could follow and the NHL could become a spectacle.

I am just guessing that a league in pretty bad shape overall, would be in even worse shape this time around if another year is missed. I think the NHL as a league has taken several steps in the right direction the last years, towards possibly becoming a league that might get into the lucrative national tv-money.

Last time around, they missed a year to get a cap in place. To tie players into %. Those are frekin major steps to be honest. Are they going to miss a year this time because of 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 percent? That's another issue. Last time around they also did not have much to loose, I would guess that there is more to loose this time. Last time around, Bettman also had a unified Canadian media behind him. That's a big big big thing. To that extent, that wouldn't either be the case this time around.

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CONTRACT STATUS and some predictions

Signed players for 2012/2013


NYR (18 - 2 on LTIR)
Derek Stepan - RFA 2013/2014
Artem Anisimov - RFA 2013/2014
Carl Hagelin - RFA 2013/2014
Chris Kreider - RFA 2014/2015

Marian Gaborik (LTIR until December) - UFA 2014/2015
Ryan Callahan - UFA 2014/2015
Brian Boyle - UFA 2014/2015
Mike Rupp - UFA 2014/2015
Arron Asham - UFA 2014/2015
Brandon Dubinsky - UFA 2015/2016
Brad Richards - UFA into the 2020s

Ryan McDonaugh - RFA 2013/2014

Mike Sauer (LTIR indefinitely) - RFA 2013/2014
Stu Bickel - - UFA 2014/2015
Dan Girardi - UFA 2014/2015
Marc Staal - UFA 2015/2016

Henrik Lundqvist - UFA 2014/2015
Martin Biron - UFA 2014/2015


RFAs (1-2)
Michael del Zotto - Qualified and he will resign to a 2 to 3 year deal between 2,3 to 3 M per annum
Anton Stralman - Qualified - might be heading back to Sweden - but now rumored negotiating multiyear deal

UFAs (possibly 1)
Ruslan Fedotenko - now a 70/30 chance of resigning IMO
Brandon Prust - gone (signed with Montreal)
John Mitchell - gone (signed with Colorado)


Steve Eminger - most likely gone
Jeff Woywitka - gone (signed with St Louis)
John Scott - gone - signed with Buffalo


CT Whale/ECHL (19)
Chad Kolarik - UFA 2013/2014
Tommy Grant - RFA 2013/2014
Ryan Bourque - RFA 2014/2015
Micheal Haley - UFA 2014/2015
Kris Newbury - UFA 2014/2015
Andrew Yogan - RFA 2015/2016
Marek Hrivik - RFA 2014/2015
Jason Wilson - RFA 2014/2015
Christian Thomas - RFA 2015/2016
Casey Wellman - qualified

Mike Vernace - UFA 2013/2014
Blake Parlett - RFA 2013/2014
Jyri Niemi - RFA 2013/2014
Tim Erixon - RFA 2014/2015 ( graduates to NY R?)
Wade Redden - UFA 2014/2015
Dylan McIllraith - RFA 2015/2016

Jason Missiaen - RFA 2014/2015
Scott Stacjer - RFA 2014/2015

Cameron Talbot - qualified

RFAs
Francis Bouchard - let go (a bad return for Kundratek - no?)
Chris Chappell - gone
Andreas Thuresson - left for Sweden and not qualified


Lee Baldwin - gone
Sam Klassen - gone


UFAs ( possibly 1)
Sean Avery - on the catwalk - retires?
Andre Deaveaux - possibly might be resigned for depth/ call up
JAM - gone - signed by Colorado
Randy McNaught - let go

Brendan Bell - probably let go
Chad Johnson - gone - signed with Phoenix

Jr eligible (contract slides and does not count against 50 player limit if he stays in juniors)
JT Miller - RFA 2015/2016

Players signed but Loaned to a European club (2)
Jesper Fast - RFA 2015/2016
Oscar Lindberg - RFA 2015/2016


Players qualified (rights retained) - but playing in Europe
Mats Zuccarello - Was qualified but has signed 2 year deal with KHL team with NHL out clause
Pavel Valentenko - Qualified but signed in Russia to a 2 year deal. Rights retained

Unsigned Draft picks
Steve Fogarty (3rd round - 2011)
Michael St Croix (4th round - 2011)
Shane McColgan (5th round - 2011)
Sam Noreau (5th round - 2011)
Peter Ceresnak (6th round - 2011)

Brady Skjei (1st round - 2012)
Cristoval "Boo" Nieves (2nd round - 2012)
Calle Andersson (4th round - 2012)
Thomas Spelling (5th round - 2012)


We have 18 players under contract on The Rangers. 2 are on the LTIR (Gaborik and Sauer) to start the season. Two of our RFAs qualified (MDZ and Stralman) and will most likely (Stralman?) be signed..
19 players are on minor league contracts - whereof two that have received qualifying offers (Wellman and Talbot) and are not formally signed yet. One more player is signed to ELC (JT Miller) but he is still junior eligible, eventually letting that contract slide above 50 player limit. 2 players are also signed but loaned to European clubs (Fast and Lindberg) counting against the 50 player contract limit.
We have some unsigned draft picks that probably will get ELC contracts sometime this year.
So lots of new players are going to wind up in the organization the next few months - replacing some of our old carcasses...

Any thoughts here?


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The NHL never proposed a rollback in their proposals in 2004. Bob Goodenow came up with the 24% as a way of ending the lockout and not accepting a cap. The stupid players association came around to accepting when it was too late to save the season and then the NHL insisted on the rollback as part of the deal. If the NHLPA had agreed to the NHL deal in the summer of 2004,there is no 24% rollback.

The upper limit was $64.3M. If that number is kept for 12-13 and 13-14 and if it drops to $62M,no need for a rollback. Don't spend to $70M this summer. Show some financial restraint. The NBA players accepted a % cut. No rollback. The cap in 11-12 and 12-13 can't be lower than the 10-11 cap of $58M. The minimum payroll was raised. Revenue sharing dollars increased. Those dollars go towards teams reaching the minimum payroll. They have a different name than the NHL. They don't call it the floor. If there is a lockout and 1/2 the season is lost,they will set the cap for the rest of 12-13 and 13-14. The 13-14 cap is based on 12-13 revenue and they cap will plummet if its not a set number.

Each % point represents $30M.

NBA deal established the parameters for the NHL deal.
Tell that to Minny!

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CONTRACT STATUS

Signed players for 2012/2013


NYR (20 - 2 on LTIR)
Derek Stepan - RFA 2013/2014
Artem Anisimov - RFA 2013/2014
Carl Hagelin - RFA 2013/2014
Jeff Halpern - UFA 2013/2014
Chris Kreider - RFA 2014/2015

Marian Gaborik (LTIR until December) - UFA 2014/2015
Ryan Callahan - UFA 2014/2015
Brian Boyle - UFA 2014/2015
Mike Rupp - UFA 2014/2015
Arron Asham - UFA 2014/2015
Taylor Pyatt - UFA 2014/2015
Brandon Dubinsky - UFA 2015/2016
Brad Richards - UFA into the 2020s

Ryan McDonaugh - RFA 2013/2014

Mike Sauer (LTIR indefinitely) - RFA 2013/2014
Stu Bickel - - UFA 2014/2015
Dan Girardi - UFA 2014/2015
Marc Staal - UFA 2015/2016

Henrik Lundqvist - UFA 2014/2015
Martin Biron - UFA 2014/2015


RFAs (2)
Michael del Zotto - Qualified and he will resign to a 2 to 3 year deal between 2,3 to 3 M per annum
Anton Stralman - Qualified - filed for arbitration and will resign( likely) a 2 year deal between $1,1m to 1,5m

CT Whale/ECHL (23 - one on LTIR)
Chad Kolarik - UFA 2013/2014
Tommy Grant - RFA 2013/2014
Ryan Bourque - RFA 2014/2015
Micheal Haley - UFA 2014/2015
Kris Newbury - UFA 2014/2015
Kyle Jean - RFA 2014/2015 ??
Brandon Segal - UFA 2014/2015 ??
Andrew Yogan - RFA 2015/2016
Marek Hrivik - RFA 2014/2015
Jason Wilson - RFA 2014/2015
Christian Thomas - RFA 2015/2016
Casey Wellman - qualified

Mike Vernace - UFA 2013/2014
Blake Parlett - RFA 2013/2014
Jyri Niemi - RFA 2013/2014
Logan Pyett - RFA 2013/2014 ??
Sean Collins - UFA 2014/2015 ??
Tim Erixon - RFA 2014/2015 (graduates to NYR?)
Wade Redden - UFA 2014/2015

Dylan McIllraith - RFA 2015/2016 - presently on LTIR

Jason Missiaen - RFA 2014/2015
Scott Stacjer - RFA 2014/2015

Cameron Talbot - qualified

Dark Horse - Jr eligible (contract slides and does not count against 50 player limit if he stays in juniors)
JT Miller - RFA 2015/2016

Players signed but Loaned to a European club (2)
Jesper Fast - RFA 2015/2016
Oscar Lindberg - RFA 2015/2016


Players qualified (rights retained) - but playing in Europe and do not count against 50 player limit
Mats Zuccarello - Was qualified but has signed 2 year deal with KHL team with NHL out clause
Pavel Valentenko - Qualified but signed in Russia to a 2 year deal. Rights retained

Unsigned Draft picks
Steve Fogarty (3rd round - 2011) NCAA
Michael St Croix (4th round - 2011) Juniors
Shane McColgan (5th round - 2011) Juniors
Sam Noreau (5th round - 2011) Juniors
Peter Ceresnak (6th round - 2011) Juniors

Brady Skjei (1st round - 2012) NCAA
Cristoval "Boo" Nieves (2nd round - 2012) NCAA
Calle Andersson (4th round - 2012) Europe/Sweden
Thomas Spelling (5th round - 2012) Europe/Sweden


LEFT NYR ORGANISATION

RFAs
Francis Bouchard - let go (a bad return for Kundratek - no?)
Chris Chappell - gone
Andreas Thuresson - left for Sweden and not qualified


Lee Baldwin - gone
Sam Klassen - gone


UFAs
Ruslan Fedotenko - gone (signed with Philadelphia)
Brandon Prust - gone (signed with Montreal)
John Mitchell - gone (signed with Colorado)

Sean Avery - on the catwalk - retires?
Andre Deaveaux - gone (signed with Florida)
JAM - gone - signed by Columbus
Randy McNaught - let go

Steve Eminger - most likely gone
Jeff Woywitka - gone (signed with St Louis)
John Scott - gone - signed with Buffalo

Brendan Bell - probably let go
Chad Johnson - gone - signed with Phoenix

We now have 20 players under contract on The Rangers. 2 of these are on the LTIR (Gaborik and Sauer) to start the season. Two of our RFAs qualified (MDZ and Stralman) and both will most likely be signed... Bringing the squad to 22 player with 2 on LTIR to start the year. And to be clear, there is still huge capspace still available after RFAs are signed ($15,7 M without Haley, our two RFAs and Erixon but with a $70,2 m cap ceiling). If DelZotto and Stralman cost $4 m and Erixon graduates we would have around $10 m available with the $70,2 m cap... And 21 players on roster ( incl LTIR players salary + Drurys buyout $$).
23 players are now signed minor league contracts - whereof two that have received qualifying offers (Wellman and Talbot) and are not formally signed yet. Not yet sure on the status of contracts to Brandon Segal, Kyle Jean, Sean Collins or Logan Pyatt.
One more player is signed to ELC (JT Miller) but he is still junior eligible, eventually letting that contract slide above 50 player limit. 2 players are also signed but loaned to European clubs (Fast and Lindberg) counting against the 50 player contract limit.
We have ( with RFAs) 22 contracts in the NHL, up to 23 contracts in the minor leagues and 2 loaned to Europe. Total of 47. Plus JT Miller. But not really sure all minor league contracts cout against the 50 contract limit.
We have some unsigned draft picks that probably will get ELC contracts sometime this year.
Still looking to pick up one player for NYR - but the pickings are slim. Maybe someone thought to be on the AHL roster takes this spot. Or a surprise camp invitee? Or, OmG, the speculated "upgrade trade"? Or maybe Redden gets his NYR roster space back instead of a compliance buyout - there is capspace for this
Time will tell...

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been out of the loop for a while, whats the deal with del zotto's new contract? are both sides sitting tight until the cba is figured out. and stralman as well

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Updated contract status

CONTRACT STATUS

Signed players for 2012/2013


NYR (20 - 2 on LTIR)
Derek Stepan - RFA 2013/2014
Carl Hagelin - RFA 2013/2014
Jeff Halpern - UFA 2013/2014
Chris Kreider - RFA 2014/2015

Marian Gaborik (LTIR until December) - UFA 2014/2015
Ryan Callahan - UFA 2014/2015
Brian Boyle - UFA 2014/2015
Mike Rupp - UFA 2014/2015
Arron Asham - UFA 2014/2015
Taylor Pyatt - UFA 2014/2015
Rick Nash - UFA 2018/2019
Brad Richards - UFA into the 2020s

Ryan McDonaugh - RFA 2013/2014

Mike Sauer (LTIR indefinitely) - RFA 2013/2014
Stu Bickel - - UFA 2014/2015
Dan Girardi - UFA 2014/2015
Anton Stralman - UFA 2014/2015
Marc Staal - UFA 2015/2016

Henrik Lundqvist - UFA 2014/2015
Martin Biron - UFA 2014/2015


RFAs (1)
Michael del Zotto - Qualified and he will resign to a 2 to 3 year deal between 2,3 to 3 M per annum

CT Whale/ECHL (21 - one on LTIR)
Chad Kolarik - UFA 2013/2014
Tommy Grant - RFA 2013/2014
Brandon Segal - UFA 2013/2014
Ryan Bourque - RFA 2014/2015
Micheal Haley - UFA 2014/2015
Kris Newbury - UFA 2014/2015
Kyle Jean - RFA 2014/2015 ??
Andrew Yogan - RFA 2015/2016
Marek Hrivik - RFA 2014/2015
Jason Wilson - RFA 2014/2015
Christian Thomas - RFA 2015/2016

Mike Vernace - UFA 2013/2014
Blake Parlett - RFA 2013/2014
Jyri Niemi - RFA 2013/2014
Steven Delisle - RFA 2013/2014
Logan Pyett - RFA 2013/2014
Sean Collins - UFA 2014/2015
Wade Redden - UFA 2014/2015

Dylan McIllraith - RFA 2015/2016 - presently on LTIR

Cameron Talbot - RFA 2013/2014
Jason Missiaen - RFA 2014/2015
Scott Stacjer - RFA 2014/2015


Dark Horse - Jr eligible (contract slides and does not count against 50 player limit if he stays in juniors)
JT Miller - RFA 2015/2016

Players signed but Loaned to a European club (2)
Jesper Fast - RFA 2015/2016
Oscar Lindberg - RFA 2015/2016


Players qualified (rights retained) - but playing in Europe and do not count against 50 player limit
Mats Zuccarello - Was qualified but has signed 2 year deal with KHL team with NHL out clause
Pavel Valentenko - Qualified but signed in Russia to a 2 year deal. Rights retained

Unsigned Draft picks
Steve Fogarty (3rd round - 2011) NCAA
Michael St Croix (4th round - 2011) Juniors
Shane McColgan (5th round - 2011) Juniors
Sam Noreau (5th round - 2011) Juniors
Peter Ceresnak (6th round - 2011) Juniors

Brady Skjei (1st round - 2012) NCAA
Cristoval "Boo" Nieves (2nd round - 2012) NCAA
Calle Andersson (4th round - 2012) Europe/Sweden
Thomas Spelling (5th round - 2012) Europe/Sweden


LEFT NYR ORGANISATION

RFAs
Francis Bouchard - let go (a bad return for Kundratek - no?)
Chris Chappell - gone
Andreas Thuresson - left for Sweden and not qualified


Lee Baldwin - gone
Sam Klassen - gone


UFAs
Ruslan Fedotenko - gone (signed with Philadelphia)
Brandon Prust - gone (signed with Montreal)
John Mitchell - gone (signed with Colorado)

Sean Avery - on the catwalk - retires?
Andre Deaveaux - gone (signed with Florida)
JAM - gone - signed by Columbus
Randy McNaught - let go

Steve Eminger - most likely gone
Jeff Woywitka - gone (signed with St Louis)
John Scott - gone - signed with Buffalo

Brendan Bell - probably let go
Chad Johnson - gone - signed with Phoenix

TRADED
Brandon Dubinsky - traded
Artem Anisimov - traded
Tim Erixon - traded
Casey Wellman - traded


We now have 20 players under contract on The Rangers. 2 of these are on the LTIR (Gaborik and Sauer) to start the season. MDZ is our remaining RFA qualified and will be signed... Bringing the NYR squad to 21 players with 2 on LTIR to start the year. And to be clear, there is still considerable cap-space still available after MDZ signs ($12,291 M without MDZ - costing around 2,75 m, also minus Haley, but also with a $70,2 m cap ceiling which is presumably high).
22 players are also now signed minor league contracts.
One more player is signed to ELC (JT Miller) but he is still junior eligible, eventually letting that contract slide above 50 player limit. 2 players are additionally signed but loaned to European clubs (Fast and Lindberg) - both counting against the 50 player contract limit.
We then have ( with RFAs) a total of 21 contracts in the NHL, 22 contracts in the minor leagues and 2 players loaned to Europe. Total of 45. Plus JT Miller, whose status is unclear. 4 contracts ( plus ev Miller) in theory remain to reach 50 contract limit.

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Meaningful revenue sharing has to be part of the CBA or else the bottom teams will again begin to suffer when revenues rise. The owners would be smart to listen to Fehr. They might learn something.

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2012/2013 nyr ???

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Micheal Haley or Kris Newbury ($0.600m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) / Arron Asham (one game suspension) ($1.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Wade Redden ($6.500m)
2 of the trio Stu Bickel ($0.750m) / Steve Eminger ($0.750m) / Matt Gilroy ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

LTIR
Michael Sauer ($1.250m)
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)

BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000;
CAP PAYROLL: $69,508,334;
BONUSES: $1,250,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,941,666
LTIR (2 men) - $8,750,000

Are we looking at this?

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I don't know, how many players in the AHL do we have on 1-way deals? Who are "NHLers in the AHL"? Haley?

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I don't know, how many players in the AHL do we have on 1-way deals? Who are "NHLers in the AHL"? Haley?
also apparently applies to anyone on two-way deals that make over $105k in the ahl...

so basically anyone that would have been subject to re-entry waivers.

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I don't know, how many players in the AHL do we have on 1-way deals? Who are "NHLers in the AHL"? Haley?
I think Haley has a two way this yr and a one way next yr.

If this was passed it would change the way some deals are structured. There are alot of guys that have 2 yr deals with one of those yrs being a 1 way NHL deal.

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I think Haley has a two way this yr and a one way next yr.

If this was passed it would change the way some deals are structured. There are alot of guys that have 2 yr deals with one of those yrs being a 1 way NHL deal.
according to capgeek, you are right about it being a 2-way this year and 1-way next year but his ahl salary would be $300k this year which means he would have been subject to re-entry waivers. so my understanding is that under the 'redden rule' he will count against the cap no matter what.

kolarik, vernace, segal, collins, and newbury are all over the $105k threshold

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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
NYR 2013/2014

FORWARDS

Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($2.500m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) / Jesper Fasth ($0.900m)
Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Micheal Haley or Kris Newbury ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonaugh ($3.500m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $60,000,000
CAP PAYROLL: $60,790,833
BONUSES: $1,322,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster):- $790.833

We need to get rid of some dead weight here as in Pyatt, Rupp, Stralman and Asham, and WE ALSO NEED a compliance buyout of wade Redden, does not seem doable at this point. I am also assuming Sauer is done. Which I really hope is NOT the case.
So Gaborik most likely is done as a Ranger if the cap goes down to $60M next year. If no Redden buyout is allowed - then what?!?! That does NOT look very promising,,, I can tell you that...

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Here is an interesting pipedream I had about the roster and the cap the next 3 years

FLAME AWAY!

2013 NYR
Cap $70,2 M

Compliance buyouts
Buyout of Wade Redden
Vinny L is bought out by Tampa Bay as compliance buyout

RFA
Michael Del Zotto signs 2 years at $2,5M

UFA
Sign UFA Vincent LeCavalier as a UFA for $6M for 1 year prorated
Sign UFA Petr Sykora as UFA for $1,6 M one year prorated

2013 NYR
FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Vincent LeCavalier ($6.000m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Petr Sykora ($1.650m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael del Zotto ($2.500m) / Steve Eminger or Matt Gilroy ($0.750m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)

LTIR
Michael Sauer ($1.250m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,808,334; BONUSES: $1,250,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $1,391,666
EXTRA LTIR SPACE (Sauer): $1,250,000

2013/2014 NYR

$65M cap

Mike Rupp, Arron Asham (or Taylor Pyatt) & Anton Stralman are traded for picks/waived

RFA
Derek Stepan signs 3 years at $2,8M
Carl Hagelin signs 2 years at $2,0M
Ryan McDonaugh signs 3 years at $3,8M
Michael Sauer (unfortunately) retires

UFA
Douglas Murray signs 3 years at $3M

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($2.800m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m)/ Marek Hrivik ($0.685m)
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN

Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonaugh ($3.800m) / Douglas Murray ($3.000m)
Michael del Zotto ($2.500m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $65,000,000
CAP PAYROLL: $67,392,500
BONUSES: $1,117,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $391,667

2014/2015 NYR

$70,2 M CAP

RFA
Chris Kreider signs 2 years at $2,6M
Michael Del Zotto signs 4 years at $3,5M

UFA
Ryan Callahan resigns at $5,5M
Marian Gaborik resigns at $6,2M
Brian Boyle resigns at $2M
Kyle Jean or a scraper resigns at $0,75M
Dan Girardi resigns at $4.625M
Stu Bickel resigns at $1M
Henrik Lundqvist resigns at $7M
New Backup G resigns at $1M

2014/2015 NYR
FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.500m)
Chris Kreider ($2.600m) / Derek Stepan ($2.800m) / Marian Gaborik ($6.200m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) / Jesper Fasth Or Marek Hrivik (MAX $0.900m)
Kyle Jean or scrapper ($0,750m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Brian Boyle ($2.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($4.625 m)
Ryan McDonaugh ($3.800m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Michael del Zotto ($3.500m) / Douglas Murray ($3.000m)
Stu Bickel ($1.000m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($7.000m)
New Backup G ($1.000m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000
CAP PAYROLL: $70,082,500
BONUSES: $685,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $802,500

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I don't think we will see a $70 million cap the year after next, but anything is possible.

But why would the Rangers give Murray that much coin when the Rangers would have Staal, McD, Girardi, MDZ, as a top 4 with McI waiting in the wings and possibly resigning Stralman if he does well. Doesn't really make sense to pay at 5/6 guy that much.

I also don't see Tampa buying out Vinny L.

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I don't think we will see a $70 million cap the year after next, but anything is possible.

But why would the Rangers give Murray that much coin when the Rangers would have Staal, McD, Girardi, MDZ, as a top 4 with McI waiting in the wings and possibly resigning Stralman if he does well. Doesn't really make sense to pay at 5/6 guy that much.

I also don't see Tampa buying out Vinny L.
This was a pipedream in the fumes of champagne
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Not anything real
Lol how can you function well enough to work up a post like that then!

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