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10-17-2012, 01:54 PM
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Berglund to the Maple Leafs

Without getting angry/defensive, it's just something I'm curious about. On paper, I feel like the Blues would still be awesome without Berglund because Steen is good enough to fill the #2 role unless I'm wrong here. From looking around, I believe the needs for St. Louis was a left handed defenseman?

Would something centered around Gardiner or Gunnarsson++ do the trick? I know alot of Leaf fans will hate that but it's just an opening thought, lol. I'm sure Leafs consensus is that if we're trading Gardiner he can fetch a more proven center.


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10-17-2012, 02:11 PM
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We do not have a surplus of centers.
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10-17-2012, 02:13 PM
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We do not have a surplus of centers.
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Has McDonald been on LW for too long now to make a transition back to center? A center depth of Backes - McDonald - Steen - Sobotka is still pretty damn good.

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10-17-2012, 02:21 PM
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Gardiner is an overpayment and a lot would not need to be added to Gunnarson to get a deal, you're overrating Berglund quite a bit.

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Gardiner is an overpayment and a lot would not need to be added to Gunnarson to get a deal, you're overrating Berglund quite a bit.
I agree about Gardiner but I know Blues fans value Berglund highly so I assumed they'd ask for Gardiner first.

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10-17-2012, 02:29 PM
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Has McDonald been on LW for too long now to make a transition back to center? A center depth of Backes - McDonald - Steen - Sobotka is still pretty damn good.
Yes, plus he doesn't fit the Blues philosophy of big bodied centers. Last season, the only center under 6'3" was Scotty Nichol, and he is a face-off specialist.

And while Berglund's point haven't been developing quit as expected, the rest of his game has rounded out nicely so far.

Another thing is that Steen and McDonald are likely to play on the same line, along with Tarasenko. [source:http://stlouis.sbnation.com/2012/10/...ex/in/2853436] So trading Berglund would make the Blues center depth look something like Backes-Steen-Sobotka-Nichol instead of Backes-Berglund-Steen-Nichol. (Sobotka is versatile enough that he can slide over to wing, likely being the first replacement center if someone goes down with injury.)

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Have a better center you're sending back?

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Can't really think of a good deal that makes sense for both sides. I do like Berglund though.

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Maybe kick the tires on Jason Arnott? Big-bodied center, pretty sure he hasn't signed with anyone yet. Might have a bit left in the tank, could help on the third line maybe?

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10-17-2012, 03:29 PM
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Has McDonald been on LW for too long now to make a transition back to center? A center depth of Backes - McDonald - Steen - Sobotka is still pretty damn good.
McDonald, Steen and Sobotka were all LW last season. Steen will almost certainly be our 3rd line C this season, McDonald's days as C are over and we'd move Oshie to C before considering Sobotka on one of our top 3 lines I think, for now anyway.

We'll be going something like...

Perron - Backes - Oshie
McDonald - Berglund - Tarasenko
Schwartz/D'Agostini - Steen - Stewart
Sobotka - Nichol - Langenbrunner

Taking out Berglund has a pretty significant impact on our ability to roll 3 lines.

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10-17-2012, 06:19 PM
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Actually, Hitch hinted that the lines would look more like this...

D'agostini/Stewart Backes Oshie
Perron Berglund D'agostini/Stewart
McDonald Steen Tarasenko
Sobotka Nichol Langenbrunner
Extra: Porter, Reaves, and Schwartz

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10-17-2012, 06:24 PM
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Have a better center you're sending back?
Yup, Bozak.

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Yup, Bozak.
If Bozak's better than Berglund -- which he isn't -- then why would you trade him?

Fail.

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Unfortunately for the Leafs they don't have much to trade.

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Why does everyone talk about Steen playing centre? He's never played anything but spot duty at centre at any point in his career, every single season he's played primarily on the wing. He's a winger, and always has been on both the Leafs and the Blues.

Andy McDonald used to play centre for the Ducks (and early in his career with the Blues), but for years now he's been primarily a winger. The Blues are very clearly built in a defence first fashion, they're all about defensive dmen and big, 2-way centres, putting an undersized forward like Andy McDonald at centre flies in the face of that philosophy. The Blues really only have two legit top 6 centres, Backes and Berglund, I simply cannot see them trading either one unless they get a better centre coming back. All of their top forward prospects are wingers too (Tarasenko, Schwartz and Rattie), it's not like they have any potential top 6 centres coming up through the pipes, they need to hang on to the ones they have (Backes and Berglund).


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Grabovski-Tarasenko duo!! maybe throw Kulemin on that line.

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Don't see us trading any of our centres...

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10-17-2012, 09:08 PM
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Why does everyone talk about Steen playing centre? He's never played anything but spot duty at centre at any point in his career, every single season he's played primarily on the wing. He's a winger, and always has been on both the Leafs and the Blues.

Andy McDonald used to play centre for the Ducks (and early in his career with the Blues), but for years now he's been primarily a winger. The Blues are very clearly built in a defence first fashion, they're all about defensive dmen and big, 2-way centres, putting an undersized forward like Andy McDonald at centre flies in the face of that philosophy. The Blues really only have two legit top 6 centres, Backes and Berglund, I simply cannot see them trading either one unless they get a better centre coming back. All of their top forward prospects are wingers too (Tarasenko, Schwartz and Rattie), it's not like they have any potential top 6 centres coming up through the pipes, they need to hang on to the ones they have (Backes and Berglund).
But, but, you're not a Blues fan.

Seriously though any Blues fan could not have put it any better. The only thing is that Steen will be a center this year with McDonald and Tarasenko on his wings, Hitchcock has confirmed this. We did not get the center that we wanted in free agency, so we will be moving forward with Steen there, but like Ponder said, Steen has never played center with us, and is only playing there out of necessity.

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10-18-2012, 10:34 AM
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McDonald, Steen and Sobotka were all LW last season. Steen will almost certainly be our 3rd line C this season, McDonald's days as C are over and we'd move Oshie to C before considering Sobotka on one of our top 3 lines I think, for now anyway.

We'll be going something like...

Perron - Backes - Oshie
McDonald - Berglund - Tarasenko
Schwartz/D'Agostini - Steen - Stewart
Sobotka - Nichol - Langenbrunner

Taking out Berglund has a pretty significant impact on our ability to roll 3 lines.
We could offer something like Bozak + Gunnarson for Berglund + Cole

This would only go down if the Leafs can sign Franson.

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We could offer something like Bozak + Gunnarson for Berglund + Cole

This would only go down if the Leafs can sign Franson.
And that makes the Blues better how?

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And that makes the Blues better how?
I admittedly don't know that much about the Blues, but it seems to me like you guys could use another quality dman with Coliacovo leaving. Bozak is a downgrade from Berglund to the same degree that Cole is a downgrade to Gunnarson.

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I'd suggest something bubbling around Colborne and Gunnarsson but I doubt Blues fans would be interested as Colborne is still a prospect.

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Blues having a surplus of centers and can trade one as giving up from a strength has been a myth for almost 2 years, nothings going to change that except getting a better center back.

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I'd suggest something bubbling around Colborne and Gunnarsson but I doubt Blues fans would be interested as Colborne is still a prospect.
And a failing prospect at that. He's pretty much a bust at this point for a top 6 role.

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And a failing prospect at that. He's pretty much a bust at this point for a top 6 role.
Haha, holy overreaction batman. What's wrong with a skilled 3rd line center? The kid's only 22 anyways. Hockey fans have the worst patience out of all the major teams sports.

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