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10-17-2012, 05:59 PM
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Even then, how can one judge players based off of two games.. Pageau is playing great, but a great player does this consistently throughout A WHOLE SEASON.

If we can say the same in December great.

Not a shot at you btw Steffe.
Loool, Steffe wasn't the one who made that post, he was actually adding furthermore info towards the other poster.

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I don't know if I would call Wikstrand overhyped. He's been doing surprisingly well for Mora and he has put up numbers that are unmatched historically, but I don't think I've seen anyone throw around anything ridiculous about him. At best I've seen people say that he'll be at the WJC and take the step to the SEL next year. Nobody has even mentioned an NHL future from what I've seen.

As long as he's looking more than a 7th rounder at this point, four months removed from the draft, we should be happy. And he definitely does. Is he the new Ekman-Larsson because he's been putting up some numbers in the same league? No.
Wow, talk about crushing our hopes, steffe...










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10-17-2012, 06:48 PM
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How did Landeskog and OEL look at their respective rookie camps? They probably dominated the **** out of them.

I'm not saying that poor performance at a rookie camp seals a player's fate, but, comeon.
Well yeah, most players that are picked in the first round are probably going to dominate a rookie camp. Players are selected in the 7th round because they are 4-5 years away from contributing at an NHL level, so I don't really understand why you would use these 2 as comparisons

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10-17-2012, 08:11 PM
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So I dont know anything about Ekholm other than where and by who he was drafted. Is there another comparison someone could throw out?

From what ive read, it sounds like he likes to shoot, and is a bit of a powerplay specialist. Would a MA Bergeron esque player be somewhat close? (Im basing that off of an extremely small sample size and not much actual knowledge obviously)

Whats his best case scenario? Something like a bottom pairing #5, 6, or 7 offensive D that gets 30 points or so?
Could be a bottom-pairing guy. He's maybe got a shot as a #4 if things go really well.

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10-17-2012, 09:30 PM
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Could be a bottom-pairing guy. He's maybe got a shot as a #4 if things go really well.
Whether you're overhyping or being over-conservative, any projection on a guy like Wikstrand coming from Canada are probably just shots in the dark.

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10-17-2012, 09:39 PM
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Hes been watching SEL-2 if im not mistaken.

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10-18-2012, 02:45 AM
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N.A equivalent would be AHL
Russian equivalent would be MHL

Skills equivalent, that is another story.
The skill gap between SEL and SEL-2 is not as big as say tactically. The SEL-2 technically isn't a farm league but there's quite a few youngsters loaned to play there to fill the rosters and the vets are usually skill guys that for whatever reason couldn't take the next step, or stick there. I think it's a well known fact that the SEL is a defensive-minded league, totally different animal in the SEL-2 where you'll see back and forth hockey much more similar to the AHL. The SEL-2 has had steady development as a league and has great parity now compared to five years ago. The gap between the leagues in general is also at an all-time low due to bigger clubs being relegated in recent years, while smaller clubs have taken the step up. Imagine the Habs, Flames and Hurricanes being relegated to the AHL, just to see Peoria, Rockford and Lake Erie go play in the NHL. That affects the strength of respective league, and also attedance and interest.

If you want my honest opinion, I'd prefer my newly drafted Swede to play in the SEL-2 8 times out of 10. You get ice time, opportunity and a chance to grow as a skill player there while playing with men. When you're one of the top players there, you can go to North America or the SEL and not look out of place. It's kinda like the NHL or AHL deal, do you want your skilled but underdeveloped prospect on the 4th line in the NHL or do you want him playing PP and whatnot in the AHL? Most of the time the answer is the latter.

Hope that clears something up.

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10-18-2012, 03:08 AM
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Speaking of which, a little Vikstrand interview today. http://www.hockeysverige.se/article/...k-p-rekordhojd In Swedish but I'm sure google translate could make it worth a read anyway.

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"I was drafted on Saturday, flew home on Sunday, went home and picked up my gear and flew to Ottawa on Monday. Then started Ottawa's camp on Tuesday morning. It was back and forth all the time, very tough but worth it."

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10-18-2012, 10:00 AM
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It sounds like a very encouraging start to the year for Vikstrand. Despite the small sample size, I am prepared to give him the 2012 Marcus Sörensen award. Lets hope that he continues to develop and win other more prestigious awards.

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10-18-2012, 10:19 AM
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I am prepared to give him the "GIDKUWDHA"
(Guy I Didn't Know Until We Drafted Him Award)

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Leksands?
Djurgardens?
Malmo?
Vasteras?
Sjodertalje?
Karlskoga?
Oskarshamn?
Orebro?

(This is what I get for trying to follow the SEL2 for a week).
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AHH! I should have known Djurgardens.
The club is named Djurgarden. The "s" is possessive: Djurgarden's Sports Club.

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anyone have any updates on players playing in the USHL????

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10-18-2012, 03:28 PM
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Hes been watching SEL-2 if im not mistaken.
A little bit, yeah.

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Whether you're overhyping or being over-conservative, any projection on a guy like Wikstrand coming from Canada are probably just shots in the dark.
I think any projection on Wikstrand is a bit of a shot in the dark at this stage of his career, but yeah, I am limited in my first-hand experience watching Wikstrand. That said, I don't think my guess was devoid of reason, either (some first hand viewing + reliable second hand information + fairly broad conclusions).


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10-18-2012, 03:42 PM
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The club is named Djurgarden. The "s" is possessive: Djurgarden's Sports Club.
Didn't know that. Thanks.

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10-18-2012, 06:24 PM
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I think any projection on Wikstrand is a bit of a shot in the dark at this stage of his career, but yeah, I am limited in my first-hand experience watching Wikstrand. That said, I don't think my guess was devoid of reason, either (some first hand viewing + reliable second hand information + fairly broad conclusions).
I just meant that nowadays, although it's possible to make it big out of the late rounds, it's a rarity you're gonna look like it 6 months after you were drafted.

I think all we know is that he's legitimately performing better than expected. And I'm not referring to the numbers, unless you wanna talk TOI.

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10-18-2012, 07:26 PM
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Ceci with a goal today. 3-1 Barrie after the first.

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10-18-2012, 08:02 PM
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I lived in Vancouver when Andrej Meszaros played his one year with the Giants. It was pretty cool to be able to go to see him regularly play as a junior. I went to about 15 games that year. Great times. Giants games are fun.

Caveat: if you haven't yet been to a Giants game, Pacific Coliseum has kind of been left to rot. When I went in 2005, it looked like they hadn't cleaned the place since the Canucks left.


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They probably cleaned it for the 2010 Olympics.
When Meszaros played for the Giants they were in their glory years. I have easy access to season tickets and watched a hand full of games around that time. However the Giants have been difficult to watch recently, with not a whole lot of talent. Giants games definitely have their own unique atmosphere to them (as do all junior games).

The Olympics saw an improvements to the outside of the arena and surrounding area, not so much inside. It still looks like its stuck in the 70s. However they inherited the Canucks old screen from Rogers Arena, so its no longer the old analogish rinky dink one from the 80s/90s.

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10-18-2012, 08:04 PM
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Loool, Steffe wasn't the one who made that post, he was actually adding furthermore info towards the other poster.

My point was about the poster steffe was talking about not steffe himself.

Hence the "this isn't a shot at you steffe"

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10-19-2012, 02:40 PM
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Love reading about our SEL prospects from a Swedish hockey fan perspective, thanks.

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Wikstrand managed to score 1 assist and ended up with +/- 0 in Moras 2-1 OT win.

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Watching Noesen. Slicker skater than Puempel.

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Watching Noesen. Slicker skater than Puempel.
Definitely true.

Some players are weird, they skate in a way that scouts are very polarized in their view of their skating. I've seen enough reports saying Puempel skates well and fluid...but I don't think so. Not that I think it kills him, but I'd say skating is a weakness of his.

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Definitely true.

Some players are weird, they skate in a way that scouts are very polarized in their view of their skating. I've seen enough reports saying Puempel skates well and fluid...but I don't think so. Not that I think it kills him, but I'd say skating is a weakness of his.
Puempel is a quick skater compared to his team. Noesen can turn on a dime, controlling the puck the time.

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Puempel is a quick skater compared to his team. Noesen can turn on a dime, controlling the puck the time.
Hey that last sentence had a cool rhyme, sounded so fluid and fine.

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