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10-18-2012, 11:54 AM
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uhmmmm WHAT?
who are you his assistant GM?

everyone in the world knows that lou is the #2 in VAN and everyone knows he wants to leave so why would the price be high... please explain

Because he's a strong #1. That part remains unchanged.


But more specifically, the price for TO would be exorbitant simply due to the hate Gillis and Burke have for one another. Not for everyone, just TO. It is what it is.

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As a Leaf fan i must ask....who do you feel helps this team more for the next 5 years, Luongo or Kadri. If you answer Kadri...please tell me what he's shown to back that up. I choose Luongo and his stats prove why.
uhmmm their are many other ways to get lou than giving kadri....

yea lets give our young forward with the biggest upside away

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10-18-2012, 11:55 AM
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uhmmmm WHAT?
Top line goalie top line player...

Why and how is Lui a cap dump?

Just for the record, in no way shape or form am I saying Luongo for Kessel.

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10-18-2012, 11:57 AM
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uhmmm their are many other ways to get lou than giving kadri....

yea lets give our young forward with the biggest upside away
Such as? hell what other top flight goalies are even available?

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10-18-2012, 11:59 AM
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people still dont get lou is more of a cap dump.....


Oh no, how dare we "dump" one of the best goaltenders over the past decade in your lap.

last time i checked the canucks have 2.5 in cap space going into this season. How can it be a cap dump when the canucks aren't forced to dump anyone? Schneider and Luongo are great goaltenders and true professionals who will make do with whatever situation plays out (even if it means splitting duties in vancouver). If Gillis has to wait until next summer to get an offer to his liking then that's just what he will do.

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10-18-2012, 12:06 PM
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Oh no, how dare we "dump" one of the best goaltenders over the past decade in your lap.

last time i checked the canucks have 2.5 in cap space going into this season. How can it be a cap dump when the canucks aren't forced to dump anyone? Schneider and Luongo are great goaltenders and true professionals who will make do with whatever situation plays out (even if it means splitting duties in vancouver). If Gillis has to wait until next summer to get an offer to his liking then that's just what he will do.
LOUUUUU DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY AS A #2 and he has a NTC AND CAN CHOOSE THE TEAMS.... BURKE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT

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uhmmm their are many other ways to get lou than giving kadri....

yea lets give our young forward with the biggest upside away
You didn't answer my question, which player helps the Leafs more. While pondering that....maybe you can tell me why the Canucks are going to give us a legit #1G for peanuts. Then....to further your pondering you can tell me which of Kessel/Lupul/JVR/Kuli/Mac/Frattin Kadri would replace.

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10-18-2012, 12:09 PM
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LOUUUUU DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY AS A #2 and he has a NTC AND CAN CHOOSE THE TEAMS.... BURKE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT
Burke has Scrivens and Reimer as his goalies and no other options in sight to acquire a legitimate starting goalie. Gillis will take advantage of that. Sorry but I left off the caps.

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Top line goalie top line player...

Why and how is Lui a cap dump?

Just for the record, in no way shape or form am I saying Luongo for Kessel.
Cap dump is the wrong word for trading Luongo.

Moving Luongo is simply a contract dump.

It's hard to sever the friendly cap hit right now from the abyss at the end of the deal.

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LOUUUUU DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY AS A #2 and he has a NTC AND CAN CHOOSE THE TEAMS.... BURKE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT
Ahh the Fox news form of debating. If I yell louder than you talk then everyone will hear that I'm right! You're entitled to your opinion, as ridiculous as it may be, but you need to realize you're in a minuscule minority if you think Lu only returns Reimer + Lombardi + 3rd. TYPING LIKE THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT.

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uhmmm their are many other ways to get lou than giving kadri....

yea lets give our young forward with the biggest upside away
We'd probably prefer Colborne + Ashton + 1st.

The Canucks recent drafting (two years) shows that they put a priority on size.

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Burke has Scrivens and Reimer as his goalies and no other options in sight to acquire a legitimate starting goalie. Gillis will take advantage of that. Sorry but I left off the caps.
burke can just stick with reimer and scrivens... gillis really can't

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10-18-2012, 12:18 PM
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We'd probably prefer Colborne + Ashton + 1st.


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You didn't answer my question, which player helps the Leafs more. While pondering that....maybe you can tell me why the Canucks are going to give us a legit #1G for peanuts. Then....to further your pondering you can tell me which of Kessel/Lupul/JVR/Kuli/Mac/Frattin Kadri would replace.
what kind of question is that.....

kadri can replace frattin, mac maybe bozak

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But more specifically, the price for TO would be exorbitant simply due to the hate Gillis and Burke have for one another. Not for everyone, just TO. It is what it is.
I disagree strongly with this. Luongo's price is what it is, but if anyone would have to overpay, Edmonton or Chicago would be more likely candidates than TO.

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10-18-2012, 12:19 PM
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burke can just stick with reimer and scrivens... gillis really can't
Sure. The guy who has missed the playoffs every time in his tenure as GM of the Leafs is in a great position sticking with one of the worst goaltending duos in the NHL last year while the guy with two really good goalies is under the gun.

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people still dont get lou is more of a cap dump.....

You don't get that a lot of people disagree with you and might be right.

People were saying that Thomas was a cap dump in 2010...Thomas has won a Conn Smythe, Veizna, and Stanley Cup since then.

I'd rather have two great goalies and pay more for them then have $2M allocated to goaltending and have two crappy goalies.

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burke can just stick with reimer and scrivens... gillis really can't
Even if you want to believe sticking with your current tandem is a legitimate option, do you really not believe Gillis could get a better deal from another team?

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LOUUUUU DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY AS A #2 and he has a NTC AND CAN CHOOSE THE TEAMS.... BURKE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT
Typing in caps doesn't make your point any less incorrect.

Lou has a NTC yes, but if he screws around and pulls a Heatley Gillis could just waive him and send him packing to Columbus.

Also, when there are other teams interested it means Burke can't take advantage of anything.

Long story short, if the Leafs want to solve their goaltending problem it's going to cost you an asset you don't want to move. Simple as that.

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And what guarantee is there that Toronto's current cast of goalies will fail this comig season (whenever that may be)? A full season of Randy Carlyle can't do anything but help Reimer and Scrivens, not to mention, the talented Mark Owuya, who has flourished at every level.
A fantastic point, that many ignore. Contrary to many others a 29th
GA, doesn't ALL fall on them. Allaire was right, about Wilson's system.

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what kind of question is that.....

kadri can replace frattin, mac maybe bozak
Frattin is Physical and can score, Bozak is a Center which Kadri clearly is not...so ya, maybe Mac although i've yet to see Kadri score at the NHL level. That still leaves Lupul/Kessel/Kuli and JVR as your top 6 wingers. I think i'll take the proven #1G over a maybe 3rd liner.

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A fantastic point, that many ignore. Contrary to many others a 29th
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Sure they could improve. Komisarek could become an allstar under Carlysle again too. (OK just pulling your leg on the last one)A good GM doesn't rely on that happening though.

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We'd probably prefer Colborne + Ashton + 1st.

The Canucks recent drafting (two years) shows that they put a priority on size.
Take Colborne and take Ashton. They both suck, the latter will stick up for his teammates and throw his body around a little bit though. Unfortunately for Nucks fans, I HIGHLY doubt Burke would trade his 1st round pick at the beginning of a season, before he gets an idea where it'll land.

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Not really high on Colborne or Ashton. If a prospect would be included, it would be Kadri. Especially with Toronto's media driving him out.

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LOUUUUU DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY AS A #2 and he has a NTC AND CAN CHOOSE THE TEAMS.... BURKE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT
Louuuu has a contract with Vancouver that he is obligated to and he will not be #2. He will either be 1a or 1b. Gillis is the one with the final say on when and where Luongo goes.

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