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10-20-2012, 09:58 AM
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LOL, This morning Damian Cox of that "Toronto Media" is saying the asking price for Luongo is Gardiner Frattin a first rounder and Tyler Bozak. So where are you getting this information.

No one in the Toronto media is saying this. It's Leaf fans looking at the contract and giving their opinions.

The Toronto media brainwashes people into thinking Leaf players are worthess (see Bryan Mccabe), not the other way around.
You're both wrong:
Luongo's overrated by the media, as was Bryan "The Liability" McCabe.

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10-20-2012, 10:28 AM
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-l...o_maple_leafs/


I like the way Mike2010 thinks:



I mean it's like "come on"!
Take a look at his stats from Dec 1 on, from that point on he lead all goalies in the NHL in save %. Look at the year before, a Jennings trophy, and a Vezena Nom, look at his stats over ten years.

One season does not make a Goalie. Do you remember Jim Carey? I think I will take the thoughts of NHL minds over yours.

Hey If you don't want Lui, thats fine, even if you feel he is not worth watever, its your opinion. But most paid profesionals on the subject disagree.

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10-20-2012, 10:30 AM
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I like the way Mike2010 thinks:



I mean it's like "come on"!
Mike Smith, Miikka Kiprusoff, Cam Ward, Ryan Miller, Kari Lehtonen, Jaroslav Halak, Cory Schneider, Brian Elliot, Jimmy Howard, Martin Brodeur, Marc-Andre Fleury, Niklas Backstrom.

That was easy.

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10-20-2012, 10:30 AM
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To Tor- Luongo, Raymond
To Van- Bozak, Kulemin, Kadri

Toronto improves significantly - The Canucks bolster their top 9.

Close but the Leafs are looking for a little more D


To Tor- Luongo, Raymond and Ballard
To Van- Bozak, Kulemin, Kadri and Komi

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10-20-2012, 10:31 AM
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Close but the Leafs are looking for a little more D


To Tor- Luongo, Raymond and Ballard
To Van- Bozak, Kulemin, Kadri and Komi
Komisarek is a non-starter.

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10-20-2012, 10:35 AM
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Komisarek is a non-starter.
He will have to be included for salary purposes

Just not in a terrible proposal like the one above

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Komisarek is a non-starter.
Ballard and Komisarek are the same player right now.

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10-20-2012, 10:36 AM
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You're both wrong:
Luongo's overrated by the media, as was Bryan "The Liability" McCabe.
Mccabe was the laughingstock of the NHl. How was he overrated? The media dumped on Mccabe even worse than they do Luongo.

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10-20-2012, 10:38 AM
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Close but the Leafs are looking for a little more D


To Tor- Luongo, Raymond and Ballard
To Van- Bozak, Kulemin, Kadri and Komi
If the leafs are looking for more D, why are they dealing Komisarek? Further, why are they taking on Ballard?

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10-20-2012, 10:40 AM
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Ballard and Komisarek are the same player right now.
Okay, we'll keep our defenseman, you keep yours.

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This has nothing to do with the cap coming down. I think, if anything, the proposed cap changes in the NHL's lastest CBA offer would help Luongo's value to Florida, not hurt it. They were never going to be spending to the $70 million dollar cap before anyways - with or without Lu on the books.



Dreger has been playing down Luongo's value since the offseason started. I just assumed he was acting alone, and on behalf of TML front office, as he usually is. Do you not remember his initial reports when he claimed any deal for Luongo to Toronto would likely have Komisarek coming back to Van?
So you disagree with Dreger, therefore you believe he's a shill for the Leafs.

Before the Leafs traded Kaberle to Boston, Dreger was telling everyone that would listen Kaberle had very little value and was worth at most a second rounder. Was he a Leafs homer when he did that?

Just because, based his his vast more knowledge than you have, he shares a difference of opinion does not make it proof he works for MLSE behind the scenes.

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10-20-2012, 10:41 AM
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Okay, we'll keep our defenseman, you keep yours.
ok. Komisarek's deal ends sooner. I'd prefer him. Both are worthless. Canuck fans aren't accepting of how worthless Ballard is right now.

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10-20-2012, 10:46 AM
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ok. Komisarek's deal ends sooner. I'd prefer him. Both are worthless. Canuck fans aren't accepting of how worthless Ballard is right now.

Again, you are free to keep Komisarek. It was a leafs fan that proposed that trade. We'll keep Ballard... Maybe if nucks fans are accepting of Ballard, it's for a reason?

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10-20-2012, 10:47 AM
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Ballard and Komisarek are the same player right now.
I disagree. Komi's slow skating makes him a much bigger liability imo.

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I know many of my fellow Leaf fans are quite down on Komisarek now, but trading our only pure defensive defenseman just when we've hired a coach who can utilize him properly just doesn't make sense, unless of course we plan to have Gardiner pushing guys out of the crease, in which case I give up.

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10-20-2012, 10:53 AM
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A first and two of the big four?

Fine we will throw in Raymond.
Done...you can take your pick. See.....i can be very friendly.

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ballard is a non-starter

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He will have to be included for salary purposes

Just not in a terrible proposal like the one above
He won't be inlcuded for so many reasons, the easiest one to list is his NMC.


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Done...you can take your pick. See.....i can be very friendly.
Lets work on getting deals done now around the league, I hear Tbay might trade Stamkos cause he shoots too much...

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10-20-2012, 11:01 AM
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ballard is a non-starter
Okay, so? I didn't include him...

EDIT: You just deleted your quote of me...

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ballard is a non-starter
I am just wondering if you quoted the right person as the post you were replying to was lui and Raymond.

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10-20-2012, 11:07 AM
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To Tor- Luongo, Raymond, 2nd
To Van- Bozak, Kulemin, 1st

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I am just wondering if you quoted the right person as the post you were replying to was lui and Raymond.
i had a multiple quote and deleted the wrong one so i just deleted all of them

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10-20-2012, 11:08 AM
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Take a look at his stats from Dec 1 on, from that point on he lead all goalies in the NHL in save %. Look at the year before, a Jennings trophy, and a Vezena Nom, look at his stats over ten years.

One season does not make a Goalie. Do you remember Jim Carey? I think I will take the thoughts of NHL minds over yours.

Hey If you don't want Lui, thats fine, even if you feel he is not worth watever, its your opinion. But most paid profesionals on the subject disagree.
I'm sure Vancouver's defence had nothing to do with his Jennings trophy win.

It hasn't been one season: He was terrible before the 2010 Olympics and nearly cost Canada the win. Any one of our goalies could've started that tournament because of how "blah" they all were.

Paid professionals aren't always right (look at Team Canada in 2006), but let's go with what you said anywhoo:

http://thehockeywriters.com/roberto-...e-trade-value/

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The biggest mistake a team could make this summer is to over-value Luongoís worth on the open market. We saw it happen back in 2009 when the Montreal Canadiens acquired Scott Gomez from the Rangers for a package that included Ryan McDonagh. At the time, Montreal had a ton of cap space and Rangers General Manager Glen Sather dumped his problem in Pierre Gauthierís lap. Montreal should have received a blue chip prospect for taking care of the Rangerís problem, instead, Pierre Gauthier inexplicably traded a prospect to acquire a player that New York was desperate to move. Given this ridiculous trade, itís no surprise that Gauthier is no longer employed by the Canadiens.

The Gomez trade is a classic example of how mistakes are made in the NHL. Good teams manage their cap well, they donít throw off their internal pay scale by signing or trading for over-priced veterans, and they keep and develop their prospects. Any GM that is entertaining the notion of trading for Luongo should take a long look at the market and recognize that Vancouver has no leverage in this situation.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ongo-right-now

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With the potential trade of Roberto Luongo on the horizon, many are wondering what his trade value is.

And the answer is simple: not much.

If this were a typical trade, then the Vancouver Canucks might be able to get a top-six forward and a prospect/draft pick. But that is not the case, as Mike Gillis and the Canucks have no bargaining power.
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/G...117/story.html

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So you can imagine there might be a fair amount of indignation when potential deals are discussed.

How dare you demand our best prospect for Luongo?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/story/?i...hl-maple_leafs

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Luongo is a pragmatic, intelligent man. He knows if he wants out of Vancouver, and that's certainly his preference, he can't close the door on too many places because, right now anyway, there aren't too many places that want or can afford him and his contract.
Florida and Toronto appear to have the greatest interest in Luongo, but not so great that either team is at this point willing to meet what they say is a steep asking price from Vancouver.

[B]Florida won't give up a blue-chip prospect and their offer most certainly includes a contract they'd like to get rid of.

The Leafs just think the current asking price is exorbinant and do not consider themselves to be in the mix until it's lowered.
The guy is wildly overrated by the Cancucks and their fans.

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10-20-2012, 11:11 AM
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Luongo would solve problems for Toronto. What problems can Toronto solve for Vancouver?
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Well cap problems, but that's not relevent this season.

I don't know why TO fans beleive Luongo will hold out or refuse to play or become a cancer if he's splitting duties with Schneider... the guy was splitting duties with Schneider last year.

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10-20-2012, 11:13 AM
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Bleacher Report is not a source.

In the Vancouver Sun article you left out the next sentence.
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How dare you offer flotsam for Luongo?
And in the TSN article, they say Florida won't give up a Blue Chip prospect(i.e Huberdeau or Bjugstad) which makes sense, as they have Markstrom, but obviously that implies other teams are willing to give up more value...Just not Gillis' initial asking price of Gardiner/1st/Frattin/Bozak.

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