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10-20-2012, 04:49 PM
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The Luongo Thread [Mod Warning in OP]

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I made the point on the Leafs board that since so many on HF think getting top picks is the way to go in rebuilding, why would the Leafs want Luongo to make their pick much worse?

If Reimer/Scrivens bomb, is that bad? The team is rebuilding.

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Frattin, Macarthur, Franson plus conditional first round pick. If Leafs makes playoffs, 1st round pick is yours, if not 2nd round pick.

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Frattin, Macarthur, Franson plus conditional first round pick. If Leafs makes playoffs, 1st round pick is yours, if not 2nd round pick.
Frattin would look good on the Canucks' third or fourth lines, but beyond that, booth/higgins are better fits on the 2nd line than Macarthur and Franson would be our 6th or 7th dman.

So we are getting nothing of high value back other than a first, which could very well end up being a 2nd and therefore losing most of its value.

Does not make one bit of sense for the Canucks to trade a number 1 goaltender for a package with little to no value to them.

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Frattin would look good on the Canucks' third or fourth lines, but beyond that, booth/higgins are better fits on the 2nd line than Macarthur and Franson would be our 6th or 7th dman.

So we are getting nothing of high value back other than a first, which could very well end up being a 2nd and therefore losing most of its value.

Does not make one bit of sense for the Canucks to trade a number 1 goaltender for a package with little to no value to them.
Then see if Florida wants him.

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To the poster that was blaming Luongo for the glove whiff in the gold medal game

IIHF has a different regulation for a catching glove than the NHL. International hockey bans one piece cuffs (which normally Luongo and most NHL goalies now use). As a result Luongo was forced to switch to a glove with a two piece cuff just for the Olympics. If you have ever played goalie in your life you'd realize how difficult it is to catch the puck using a new glove after using the a differently designed one for the last two season prior to that.

Not trying to argue whether Luongo played well or poorly in the game, just thought it was some information that you should take into consideration

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Can someon pull up that quote when Gillis said that the return may not improve their team much? Because that is in almost every VanCanFans argument on value.

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I think Lu will be a pretty good goalie for 2-3 more years. Heres some proposals from a neutral fan

Kadri+Kulemin
Kadri is a good prospect, not guarantee hell pan out. Probaly a 40-50 pt player. Kulemin is a good defensive winger, offensive ability is questionable (probaly 15-20 goal guy) but hed be what Van needs in the playoffs. This is the most logical deal as Van gets a much needed prospect.

Bozak + 1st
Second most logical deal. Van gets a good #3 center. The 1st round pick could turn out to be a lotto pick. This deal is riskier since Lu could really help them. Or it could be a jackpot with 2013 solid draft class

Grabovski + Ashton
Grabo is a good 2 line center if Keslers injury continues to affect him. Ashton is a decent prospect that will help them in the future

Gardiner
Van might have to add a pick or some prospect since hes a pretty promising defenseman. I dont know how well hed fit into Vans top 4

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And as mentioned a hundred times before, the Canucks are more than happy to keep him and go with the best goaltending tandem in the league with a very, very solid team in front of them.

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Can someon pull up that quote when Gillis said that the return may not improve their team much? Because that is in almost every VanCanFans argument on value.
Exactly. Gillis made that quote because he wanted to curb any backlash when the trade is made. He knows he's not getting much back.

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I think Lu will be a pretty good goalie for 2-3 more years. Heres some proposals from a neutral fan

Kadri+Kulemin
Kadri is a good prospect, not guarantee hell pan out. Probaly a 40-50 pt player. Kulemin is a good defensive winger, offensive ability is questionable (probaly 15-20 goal guy) but hed be what Van needs in the playoffs. This is the most logical deal as Van gets a much needed prospect.

Bozak + 1st
Second most logical deal. Van gets a good #3 center. The 1st round pick could turn out to be a lotto pick. This deal is riskier since Lu could really help them. Or it could be a jackpot with 2013 solid draft class

Grabovski + Ashton
Grabo is a good 2 line center if Keslers injury continues to affect him. Ashton is a decent prospect that will help them in the future

Gardiner
Van might have to add a pick or some prospect since hes a pretty promising defenseman. I dont know how well hed fit into Vans top 4
I'd be interested in something around Kadri and Kulemin, and definitely something around Gardiner.

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And as mentioned a hundred times before, the Canucks are more than happy to keep him and go with the best goaltending tandem in the league with a very, very solid team in front of them.
How long will Luongo be happy with that?

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Exactly. Gillis made that quote because he wanted to curb any backlash when the trade is made. He knows he's not getting much back.
That quote was from the summer, its a whole different game now.

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How long will Luongo be happy with that?
As long as he gets paid 5.3 million dollars to do it?

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And as mentioned a hundred times before, the Canucks are more than happy to keep him and go with the best goaltending tandem in the league with a very, very solid team in front of them.
Then why not keep the best goaltending tandem in the league? GM's job is to assemble the best team possible and keeping intact the best goalie tandem would very much help the cause. Oh right, forgot about the playoff fiasco.

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Then why not keep the best goaltending tandem in the league? GM's job is to assemble the best team possible and keeping intact the best goalie tandem would very much help the cause. Oh right, forgot about the playoff fiasco.
Because by trading Luongo the Canucks can fix what small flaws they have and make the team even better. Lack is ready for a chance to prove himself in the NHL, so he fills the back up position.

Canucks need a top 6/9 winger, someone like Kulemin would fix that. Canucks need a better prospect pool, a pick and/or high prospect would fix that.

Common sense.

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Frattin would look good on the Canucks' third or fourth lines, but beyond that, booth/higgins are better fits on the 2nd line than Macarthur and Franson would be our 6th or 7th dman.

So we are getting nothing of high value back other than a first, which could very well end up being a 2nd and therefore losing most of its value.

Does not make one bit of sense for the Canucks to trade a number 1 goaltender for a package with little to no value to them.
Exactly how I feel. It seems to me that having an elite goalie, even as just a back up, is an extremely valuable thing - ESPECIALLY FOR A TEAM COMPETING FOR A CUP IMMEDIATELY.

Even just one more year of this is not a bad thing imo - in fact it is just the opposite - it is incredible insurance. If one goalie is in a slump, boom. Elite backup comes in. If one goes down with injury - no sweat.

Teams frequently trade big pieces for a player that they only get for one year - Boston gave up a 1st + just for part of a year of Kaberle. So why wouldn't a team like Vancouver give up big pieces for a single year of an elite goalie - a much more important piece than a guy like Kalberle- ? And of course Vancouver doesn't have to give up big pieces for Luongo because they already have him. So why not just hold on to him?

My point is that Luongo is very valuable to Vancouver, so it seems to me that it makes no sense to trade him unless it's improving the team some other way.

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And as mentioned a hundred times before, the Canucks are more than happy to keep him and go with the best goaltending tandem in the league with a very, very solid team in front of them.
And that's fine, but this thread exists to discuss proposals for Luongo and potential landing places (hopefully) based on any news that might come out. That's why the last thread was opened. That's why this thread is a continuation.

If the Canucks are happy keeping him as part of the best goaltender tandem in the league, why is he being shopped? I mean, I'm sure that's a fantastic back up plan, but it's pretty obvious at this point that Plan A is to get something for him. Great goaltending tandems don't usually spell post-season success.

With that said, I'm with people who say that if Gillis can't improve the Canucks he might as well keep Luongo. If Vancouver with Luongo is better than Vancouver with any of the offered packages for Luongo then you keep him and move on. Don't sell him for nothing unless you just have to.

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And that's fine, but this thread exists to discuss proposals for Luongo and potential landing places (hopefully) based on any news that might come out. That's why the last thread was opened. That's why this thread is a continuation.

If the Canucks are happy keeping him as part of the best goaltender tandem in the league, why is he being shopped? I mean, I'm sure that's a fantastic back up plan, but it's pretty obvious at this point that Plan A is to get something for him. Great goaltending tandems don't usually spell post-season success.
Absolutely, I'm fully open to seeing Luongo traded, but it won't be for spare parts. If Gillis cannot find a deal, its fine to roll with both goalies.

Luongo, to my knowledge, said he'd be okay to be traded, not that he wants to be traded.

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If he does go to the Leafs, it will be for Bozak + Blacker + 2nd. Burke is too good at trading to give up anything more in this situation.

Of course he's more likely to either stay in Vancouver or go to Florida.

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If he does go to the Leafs, it will be for Bozak + Blacker + 2nd. Burke is too good at trading to give up anything more in this situation.

Of course he's more likely to either stay in Vancouver or go to Florida.
Your right. Burke is good at trading. But only with deals that involve Anaheim. Which is pretty much all his trades.

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That quote was from the summer, its a whole different game now.
What's changed in the last 3 months?

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Possibly the CBA.

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