There is a huge difference. Yes it sucked for Oiler fans about Pronger we understand. However, in the case of Pronger you were able to shop him for assets. You received Smid, Lupul and picks what amounted to Jordan Eberle.
That is a far cry from the big fat zero Anaheim received for Schultz. Sure he is free to leave as he did with the CBA loophole. Anaheim fans aren't crying foul about that. We are upset that it cost us a 2nd round pick that we will never regain. What really pisses off Anaheim fans is that Schultz essentially lied right to managements face. This is where the hate for the kid stems from Anaheim's perspective. He looks straight into GM Bob Murray's face and tells him I can't wait to play for you at seasons end. Obviously somewhere in between the young man changed his mind which is totally fine and allowed to do so. However, when Ducks brass repeatedly spoke with him he refused to acknowledge his unwillingness to sign with the team which effectively held the Ducks hostage. He could have stated i've changed my mind and I would like to sign elsewhere( Hell he could even gave a list of teams ). Instead he continually left them on the hook.
So not only are Ducks fans upset that we lost a 2nd round pick for nothing. We also had the kid lie straight to our GM's face. If he wasn't lying and simply changed his mind great. However, it was the immature process in failing to notify the team as they continually speak to you and you just go along with it with an ulterior motive. Then if that wasn't bad enough for Anaheim fans, we have to sit through a summer where we just watched the kid spurn us for nothing as he puts on some stupid "LeBron Decision" like he's better than everyone.
The kid is the ultimate ****** in Anaheim's eyes. We never have disputed his talents and we know how potentially great he is. Anaheim fans have been telling people for years only to have it fall on deaf ears. Regardless the talents the kid will always be ****** in our eyes for his pathetic shenanigans he pulled. So I reiterate to Oiler fans, Pronger and Schultz isn't even remotely close. You received assets in return. Anaheim received a giant slap in the face!
The only thing remotely close to this from an Oiler perspective would be the Riley Nash case. Drafted and refused to sign. However in the case of Nash he let the Oilers know he wouldn't sign and ultimately it allowed the Oilers to flip him for a pick. Anaheim just gets bent over plain and simple. We will never see anything in return.
He didn't ask for the big drama to surround him. He had private meetings with teams. Narrowed it down to 5 so he wouldn't waste peoples time. Then told the 4 teams he didn't choose why he didn't go there, then stated he would sign with edmonton. The media hyped it up, he didn't ask them to make a huge deal about it.
So I don't see how Anaheim got shafted more by schultz than the Oilers did with Pronger. A guy who signed long term with us pulls chute after 1 year in the deal, sending us from cup finalists down a spiralling path to the basement, not allowing us to get the value he's worth in return and you guys had to give up some extra pieces that didn't affect your roster that much at the time, yet we should have to give up pieces for a player your organization put $0 dollars into developing, and had no contract or agreement to play with Anaheim whatsoever. I would be mad at your owner for letting the situation get to this. He didn't find it weird Schultz hadn't signed after all that time in the summer. He should have dealt him right then and there when he realized he had little control of the entire situation.
There is a huge difference. Yes it sucked for Oiler fans about Pronger we understand. However, in the case of Pronger you were able to shop him for assets. You received Smid, Lupul and picks what amounted to Jordan Eberle.
That is a far cry from the big fat zero Anaheim received for Schultz. Sure he is free to leave as he did with the CBA loophole. Anaheim fans aren't crying foul about that. We are upset that it cost us a 2nd round pick that we will never regain. What really pisses off Anaheim fans is that Schultz essentially lied right to managements face. This is where the hate for the kid stems from Anaheim's perspective. He looks straight into GM Bob Murray's face and tells him I can't wait to play for you at seasons end. Obviously somewhere in between the young man changed his mind which is totally fine and allowed to do so. However, when Ducks brass repeatedly spoke with him he refused to acknowledge his unwillingness to sign with the team which effectively held the Ducks hostage. He could have stated i've changed my mind and I would like to sign elsewhere( Hell he could even gave a list of teams ). Instead he continually left them on the hook.
So not only are Ducks fans upset that we lost a 2nd round pick for nothing. We also had the kid lie straight to our GM's face. If he wasn't lying and simply changed his mind great. However, it was the immature process in failing to notify the team as they continually speak to you and you just go along with it with an ulterior motive. Then if that wasn't bad enough for Anaheim fans, we have to sit through a summer where we just watched the kid spurn us for nothing as he puts on some stupid "LeBron Decision" like he's better than everyone.
The kid is the ultimate ****** in Anaheim's eyes. We never have disputed his talents and we know how potentially great he is. Anaheim fans have been telling people for years only to have it fall on deaf ears. Regardless the talents the kid will always be ****** in our eyes for his pathetic shenanigans he pulled. So I reiterate to Oiler fans, Pronger and Schultz isn't even remotely close. You received assets in return. Anaheim received a giant slap in the face!
The only thing remotely close to this from an Oiler perspective would be the Riley Nash case. Drafted and refused to sign. However in the case of Nash he let the Oilers know he wouldn't sign and ultimately it allowed the Oilers to flip him for a pick. Anaheim just gets bent over plain and simple. We will never see anything in return.
Agreed, you Ducks fans have every right to be upset and i agree that this and the Pronger situation is very different but is this going to be brought up in every Schultz thread?
The Ducks got screwed, the Oilers got lucky and now it's time to move on.
Pronger asked for a trade RIGHT after the team lost in game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. That's the most classless thing you can do to your franchise, especially when you're the team's franchise player. Did Ducks fans forgive Kariya for bailing out on them?
The return in the trade softened the blow now since they got some good building blocks, but at the time of the trade, it was pure robbery by the Ducks. They got the best defenseman in the game for futures.
Would you have rather received 4 first round picks (essentially) or nothing in return for Pronger? You guys got Lupul who was coming off a 28 goal season, Smid who was picked 9th overall a year or two before and two first round picks. How does that compare at all to someone refusing to sign with the team that drafted him and Anaheim getting nothing out of it?
Beyond Klefbom, how are you stacked? Marincin is decent but he hardly comprises of a group I'd call "stacked"
Forgot about Musil. He's good too, but these are like...middle of the pack defensive prospects. Not guys who are going to define a blueline one day.
Musil is a great prospect
Lot of people forget about Gernat, huge bodied (6'5) offensive d-men, rated 7.5 by HF, put up 55 in first year in the WHL. Very underrated.
Klefbom, Musil, Gernat, Marincin is a great start for D prospects
There is only 10-11 d prospects out there that can potentially define a blue line (Murray, Rielly, Hamiltion etc) Klefbom is one probaly too. But most teams D prospects will be complimentary pieces
Schultz (3g-2a-5p in his first 3 AHL games and is living up to the hype)
Klefbom 6'3 (Leading the SEL in +/- before he injured his shoulder a few days ago)
Marincin 6'5 (Leading the AHL in plus minus playing top pairing minutes in his AHL rookie season after an impressive CHL campaign)
Musil 6'4 (One of the best defenseman in the WJC last year 5 pts in 7 games to start this season as a defensive dman)
Gernat 6'5 (60gp-9g-46a-55pt +41 in his rookie CHL season)
Teubert 6'4 (long shot but could come around a #6/7)
Keep in mind these guys are all trees aside from Schultz and this is to just name a few, that's a pretty good prospect base....
Schultz (3g-2a-5p in his first 3 AHL games and is living up to the hype)
Klefbom 6'3 (Leading the SEL in +/- before he injured his shoulder a few days ago)
Marincin 6'5 (Leading the AHL in plus minus playing top pairing minutes in his AHL rookie season after an impressive CHL campaign)
Musil 6'4 (One of the best defenseman in the WJC last year 5 pts in 7 games to start this season as a defensive dman)
Gernat 6'5 (60gp-9g-46a-55pt +41 in his rookie CHL season)
Teubert 6'4 (long shot but could come around a #6/7)
Keep in mind these guys are all trees aside from Schultz and this is to just name a few, that's a pretty good prospect base....
thats not what the Eastern based media keeps on telling me...
Schultz looks like the real deal. I really think that once the NHL comes back the kid's going to be a big-time superstar
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Last night an ESPN program was discussing how the Detroit Pistons needed a hero citing the heroes on the Detroit Tigers, Detroit Lions and no mention of the Detroit Red Wings. All this despite the Red Wings probably being the most succesful team in Detroit right now.
Don't feel too bad for them. Their prospect depth and the amount of good young talent is still incredibly deep. How many teams can boast goaltending prospects of Frederik Andersen and John Gibson; defensive guys like Lindholm, Sbisa, Fowler and Vatanen; and forward prospects like Rackell, Etem, Palmieri, Kerdiles, Smith-Pelley, Holland, etc.
They may have lost out on Schultz and Gardiner, but they have plenty of prospects who have risen in return.
Adding Schultz was huge for Edmonton, but they're still really lacking in quality defensive prospects. They have Klefbom and Marincin who both project as top 4 and Musil who is very defensive (almost Smid-like), but outside of them and maybe Gernat their pretty weak defensively amongst their young talent. Schultz improves this group a lot.
Just because they draft really well doesn't mean that I can't feel bad for them.
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Smid, Petry, Schultz, Klefbom, Musil, Marincin, Gernat, Laleggia ( a real wildcard IMO), Teubert, there are a lot of solid D in there that are in their 20's. This is excluding Fedun who is a cool customer but needs to hopefully get some explosiveness back in his skating in time.
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Why is it funny?
Schultz (3g-2a-5p in his first 3 AHL games and is living up to the hype)
Klefbom 6'3 (Leading the SEL in +/- before he injured his shoulder a few days ago)
Marincin 6'5 (Leading the AHL in plus minus playing top pairing minutes in his AHL rookie season after an impressive CHL campaign)
Musil 6'4 (One of the best defenseman in the WJC last year 5 pts in 7 games to start this season as a defensive dman)
Gernat 6'5 (60gp-9g-46a-55pt +41 in his rookie CHL season)
Teubert 6'4 (long shot but could come around a #6/7)
Keep in mind these guys are all trees aside from Schultz and this is to just name a few, that's a pretty good prospect base....
Exactly, adding guys like Schultz and Klefbom to Smid and Petry = a solid top 4 for many years to come.
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Don't want to hijack this thread. You guys really lucked out. I said all year that Edmonton should draft a blue chip D, but you guys didn't have to. You got your forward and your defender.
personally I thought the time to draft a blue chip defender had passed. we needed someone a little more ready to play.
As much as it sucks for Anaheim (whose scouting staff really seems to have the eye for defensive prospects!) we needed a guy like Schultz who was already in development, waiting for someone we drafted this year to get ready would have given us no choice but to throw bi money at an established vet.
