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10-21-2012, 03:05 PM
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Figures it would end on a Moss fumble. Just go down D-----!

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10-21-2012, 03:06 PM
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Too many turnovers. Offense was too fancy. I understand Griffin is a running QB, I know you like to cater to his option offense, but not every play has to be a pitch, option, reverse, or handoff.

REpeatedly, in Giants territory, in the 2nd half, the Redskins fumbled the football, or lost the football, because of this. They should have attempted to pass more, IMO.

Tough loss, but Redskins were very gritty. There is no shame in losing to the Giants. They are prob. the best team in NFC and Redskins gave them a good shot. If they'd only defended Cruz on the last Giants play.

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someone seriously needs to be fired. RG3 looked like a rookie at times, but the defense is beyond terrible

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MeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, and MaPoo Williams. Winners.

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10-21-2012, 03:11 PM
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Tough loss, but Redskins were very gritty. There is no shame in losing to the Giants. They are prob. the best team in NFC and Redskins gave them a good shot. If they'd only defended Cruz on the last Giants play.
There is shame in the way the secondary played. There is shame in giving away a win. The Giants could not stop Griffin and the Offense. Only bad penalties and horrible turnovers stopped them all day. Then there is the Defense, well nvm. Frustrating.

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10-21-2012, 03:20 PM
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Too many turnovers. Offense was too fancy. I understand Griffin is a running QB, I know you like to cater to his option offense, but not every play has to be a pitch, option, reverse, or handoff.

REpeatedly, in Giants territory, in the 2nd half, the Redskins fumbled the football, or lost the football, because of this. They should have attempted to pass more, IMO.

Tough loss, but Redskins were very gritty. There is no shame in losing to the Giants. They are prob. the best team in NFC and Redskins gave them a good shot. If they'd only defended Cruz on the last Giants play.
Of course there is shame. NY is very good but inconsistent. No matter how exceptional Griffin is, there's only so much you can go "wow" without seeing more win results. At 3-4 now their margin of error to make the playoffs is getting very slim. They probably need to go 7-2 the rest of the way to make it in.

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10-21-2012, 03:23 PM
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Even with a bad game, RG3 nearly pulls off a win. The secondary is just......

at least they found a kicker?

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10-21-2012, 03:24 PM
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Get RGIII a line and the offense will be amazing
Just upgrading at RT alone would do a lot I think. Not sure they have enough weapons yet be to amazing, though. A scatback and speedier WR/TEs would render a one-dimensional (arguably no-dimensional) player like Banks useless. Playcalling could still be better as it took them long enough to ditch the gadgetry.

Davis confirmed as out for the year. Queue the Cooley talk.

The secondary, yeah, hot garbage. It could have been worse if Eli had been more accurate earlier on.

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10-21-2012, 03:26 PM
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Of course there is shame. NY is very good but inconsistent. No matter how exceptional Griffin is, there's only so much you can go "wow" without seeing more win results. At 3-4 now their margin of error to make the playoffs is getting very slim. They probably need to go 7-2 the rest of the way to make it in.
You aren't really counting on them making the playoffs are you? It would be nice, but with the secondary the way it is its not likely.

My only hope at this time is for Griffin to remain healthy and play a full season. The Skins will be in every game with him. They will win some, but lose most probably. Experience for Griffin and other young players is the only thing I can count on this year. The pass defense is just to horrible.

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10-21-2012, 03:30 PM
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248 yards rushing. 120 by Morris. Yes the Giants had 3 sacks, but 1 or 2 of them was caused by good coverage and maybe a little rookie indecision by Griffin.

The O-line is fine.

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10-21-2012, 03:31 PM
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Brutal Moss....and after such a great game from you....


Injuries mounting...tough to overcome for a team with little to no depth...

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10-21-2012, 03:32 PM
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248 yards rushing. 120 by Morris. Yes the Giants had 3 sacks, but 1 or 2 of them was caused by good coverage and maybe a little rookie indecision by Griffin.

The O-line is fine.
Big difference in passable and good. We're closer to passable by some miracle....but certainly a ton of room for upgrades.

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10-21-2012, 03:37 PM
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That last play was the fault of the safety, who waited way too long to start running backward. What on earth was he thinking? I mean Cruz just ran straight, that was it. No excuse for that, and I don't care how dumb our secondary is, Haslett is responsible. We play soft and deep when they are 3rd and 5 at our 10, but fail to do so when trying to protect a lead with 1:30 left from the NY 23?

Kyle's play calling was really atrocious in the 2nd half. Way too many shallow drop backs and RG keepers on the option. NY started guessing right.

The penalties that brought back plays were cheap penalties and costly for us. One led to Davis' injury, the other to Morris' fumble. We are absolutely injury decimated this year, wow.

It really pains me to see that ******* Mara beat us.

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You aren't really counting on them making the playoffs are you? It would be nice, but with the secondary the way it is its not likely.

My only hope at this time is for Griffin to remain healthy and play a full season. The Skins will be in every game with him. They will win some, but lose most probably. Experience for Griffin and other young players is the only thing I can count on this year. The pass defense is just to horrible.
It doesn't help that Merriweather has been out. He's no star, but better than anything we have. The safety play has been horrific this year.

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10-21-2012, 03:50 PM
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Big difference in passable and good. We're closer to passable by some miracle....but certainly a ton of room for upgrades.
RGIII makes them look passable. But you can tell by the hits he's taking and how little time he has how much better the offense could be.

One of those fumbles was caused by the Giants getting to him in zero seconds flat. That incredible 4th down scramble...we should be able to protect better.

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Why did we have Madieu on the double playing so shallow and to the outside? That is an easy read for any QB. Double that over the top.

Manning gave us gifts all day. We just gave gifts back. It sure seemed like they converted a ton of 3rd downs.

Shanahan played to win today, more than usual. Going for it on 4th a few times, I don't think he got burned by it.

I thought Kyle did meh today. He got away from Morris, maybe he was gassed. Ft. Niles Paul is failing. He is not a playmaker. Passing to him over Morris on 2nd and 1 on the 1. Then the option to Paul on 3rd was an easy stop.

We finally stunted today, and it resulted in a sack. Its mind boggling when we are getting zippy pressure, we dont even try until late in the 4th quarter. At least we finally tried it.

Hank sure seems like he prefers avoiding contact, he probably knows he will get injured.

III was awesome on the 4th down. Previous QB's would have forced that to Moss, who was 5 yds short of the 1st. and never would have made it.


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Ft. Niles Paul is failing. He is not a playmaker. Passing to him over Morris on 2nd and 1 on the 1. Then the option to Paul on 3rd was an easy stop.

Hank sure seems like he prefers avoiding contact, he probably knows he will get injured.
Paulsen > Paul. Agree on Hank, didn't even try to extend himself on that long pass to start the 3rd

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Paulsen > Paul. Agree on Hank, didn't even try to extend himself on that long pass to start the 3rd
On that 3rd and 14, he went down real easy a yard short of the 1st down marker. But hell we have seen vets space and not know where the 1st marker is.

He is just a kid coming off a severe injury, and is easily our leading WR so I am trying to give the kid a break.

I just think he is injury prone and knows it. When he tore up his hip last year, it was an innocent looking tackle. He needs to drink protein shakes and bulk up, he is not built to be a finesse player.

Diving for a deep ball doesn't seem like his style. IIRC he got his fingers on that ball at least, but he did seem to maybe short arm it a bit. I need to see it again.

If he gets bigger and stronger, he should naturally become more confident.

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The line only looks good because Griffin can run away from their shortcomings a lot of the time.

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The O-line looks good because they have been playing good. 200+ yards rushing 2 weeks in a row. Sure Griffin gets a good chunk of those yards on scrambles, but Alfred Morris ran for 120 yards today against one of the best defensive fronts in the NFL. He didn't get all those yards on his own, he needs an O-line to get that done. And Griffin had plenty of time to pass in the 1st half. Late in the 2nd he got pressured, but the Giants knew the Skins needed to pass so they pinned their ears back. Still, 2 of the 3 sacks given up were due to good coverage.

And there is a reason why the Shanahans prefer a mobile QB to run their offense. Because the zone blocking scheme for running the ball they prefer requires O-lineman to be mobile, and that means O-lineman that don't excel at pass blocking for long periods of time because they are smaller/thinner. There is always going to be a balancing act for a zone blocking O-line. Hence why the QB behind it needs to be able to escape.

Based on all that I think the current Skins O-line will only get better as the season goes on, so long as all 5 stay healthy. The chemistry between the 5 of them will only get better, and both the O-line and Griffin will get used to one another. As that happens Griffin will be able to more effectively bide time to make plays.

Having said all that, Polumbus is truely just a bandaide/depth guy who has to start. He has done a great job so far for him, but the Skins need a guy with more physical skills on the edge then what Polumbus can provide. For now, with a TE helping from time to time, he will do.

Finally, what is lost in the Griffin/Alfred Morris love fest in the local media is the play of Trent Williams. IMO, he is putting forth a pro-bowl effort so far. He made Jared Allen his ***** last week, and he has handled who ever has lined up against him so far this season. As a former O-lineman and O-line coach it has been a pleasure watching him so far this season. Light and agile on his feet in pass pro, and devestating in space on run plays. A legit NFL left tackle and will only get better, I hope.

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10-21-2012, 05:56 PM
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The Redskins' 1,244 rushing yards this season are the most the team has rushed for in the first 7 games of a season since the 1970 merger.


1,244 rushing yards after 7 games? Imagine how many rushing yards the Skins would have if they had at least an above average NFL O-line.

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really, the line isn't that poor. They could use some upgrades, but the money should be spent on getting weapons and fixing the Defense. They're very good in run blocking and passable at times in passing downs. That's a very good defense they went against with a decent bit to prove against a rookie. One INT was a miscommunication, and the second one is on RGIII. The fumbles were an issue, but you have to take those at times. You get those with how many times they run, and you just have to take them at times. Try and correct them, sure, but you're going to fumble occasionally.

Their issues stem from no pass rush at times, and just awful secondary play.

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The line only looks good because Griffin can run away from their shortcomings a lot of the time.
They actually haven't been too bad. They can definitely use an upgrade at RT, otherwise they've done well. Hopefully, Gettis, LeRibeus, and Compton can develop enough to contribute down the line.

We all knew the secondary would be suspect, don't know how they'll address that with the cap penalty and all.

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