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10-20-2012, 05:33 PM
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If I understand most flames fans, they need to get younger, build through the draft and so on. So I assume getting two young NHL-ready players and a big, strong, versatile player with plenty of leadership to mentor them wouldn't be such a bad thing?

I'm offering:
Brooks Laich, C/LW (20g avg. during his past 5 seasons, plays PP/PK)
Mathieu Perreault, C (had a .58pts/g avg. in 29 games last season when playing 13+ minutes)
Dmitry Orlov, D (puckmoving D with a little nasty, lots of upside)
1st 2013 (a #15-25 pick in a deep draft)

for

Mike Cammalleri (a sniper for Ribeiro)
Jay Bouwmeester (D-partner for Green, a left shot from the point on the PP)
2nd 2013

It also saves CGY around ~$6M in capspace.

Ovechkin-Backstrom-Wolski
Cammalleri-Ribeiro-Brouwer
Chimera-Johansson-Ward
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb

Bouwmeester-Green
Alzner-Carlson
Hamrlik-Hillen/Schultz/Erskine

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Tanguay-Laich-Iginla
Hudler-Perreault-Glenncross
Comeau-Stajan-Stempniak
Baertschi-Backlund/Horak-Jackman

Gio-Wideman
Butler-Orlov
Sarich-Brodie/Babchuk

"Flame" away..

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10-20-2012, 05:49 PM
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I'd guarantee that the Flames won't want the best player in a deal that involves Cammalerri and Bouwmeester (a 2nd, too), to be Laich.

The Flames won't trade for depth, if they are looking to get younger.

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10-20-2012, 05:50 PM
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I see it as a pretty fair deal but with CAL wanting to win now they would not do that deal. They are not going to trade their 2nd round pick away also as you are getting two very good proven players.

If Calgary does this deal they masswell trade Iggy, Kipper, Tanguay and do a proper rebuild as they could get good young players and picks for them in return.

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10-20-2012, 06:12 PM
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I would say switch Laich for Johansson and it becomes more do-able from a Flames perspective

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10-20-2012, 10:29 PM
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Laich & Perreault are redundant as the Flames have a lot of depth players. Trading a top 6 forward or 1st pairing defense to land either would be a step toward a lottery pick.
Orlov is a prospect with possible upside & a mid to late 1st round draft pick isn't gold.

The depth of any draft is only proven years later. It's as much a projection/talking point for the talking heads as player x being the next Crosby/Orr to keep people reading their pages/blogs.

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10-20-2012, 10:31 PM
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I would do it without the 2nd included on Calgary's side. I actually like this deal.

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Reading the trade made me actually think about it for a little bit. That already means it's more creative and interesting than 99% of the trades on here haha. Nice proposal.

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10-20-2012, 11:52 PM
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No thanks from a Flames point of view.

Would rather have Cammy centering the top line.

Also replacing Bouwmeester with Orlov would make the Flames worse.

Perreault is nothing we dont already have either.


edit - Missed that the Capitals were giving up a 1st, that makes it a bit better, still not sure if the Flames would do it though, especially with the big hole being left on D. Flames also dont have a 2013 2nd at the moment.


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10-20-2012, 11:56 PM
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The only interesting piece the Flames get in return here is a single extra ball in the draft, because that's all that's going to matter when you trade away 2 of our best players.

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10-21-2012, 12:28 AM
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Oh dear god no.

Laich and a 1st for Cammy and a 2nd might be workable but I'm not willing to move Orlov for Bouwmeester, and Perreault is quickly becoming a fan favorite besides he's cheap and versatile while highly entertaining to watch.

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10-21-2012, 12:57 AM
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I think you should change the first to a second and change Laich, to Johannson. In such case Calgary can afford to go into rebuild mode. Iggy and Kipper could be traded away as well. Would make the 2013 incredibly exciting for Flames fans

2 firsts, a second and a cap dump for Iggy.
Don't know what I'd demand for Kipper, but the Flames would finally have a respectable prospect pool to work with and they'd have more cap space than they could possibly handle for years to come.

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No. how about Bouwmeester, Babchuk, Stempniak and Comeau for Green, Orlov and Laich

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No. how about Bouwmeester, Babchuk, Stempniak and Comeau for Green, Orlov and Laich
Green >> Bouwmeester

Orlov/Laich >> rest of that crap

How about Perreault for Iginla?

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No thanks from a Flames point of view.

Would rather have Cammy centering the top line.

Also replacing Bouwmeester with Orlov would make the Flames worse.

Perreault is nothing we dont already have either.


edit - Missed that the Capitals were giving up a 1st, that makes it a bit better, still not sure if the Flames would do it though, especially with the big hole being left on D. Flames also dont have a 2013 2nd at the moment.
To be honest, your second best center on the roster had 18 pts in 61 games last year (excluding Cammalleri), not much to write home about. Backlund and Horak might have potential to get up there, but with Laich and Perreault it improves the center depth a whole lot.

I could live with Johansson, Orlov, 2nd 2013 and Schultz (Flames need to take some salary back) for Cammalleri and Giordano. That should jumpstart a rebuild for Calgary and make Washington really competative!

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10-21-2012, 05:10 PM
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johansson and orlov? lol. not a chance mcphee even entertains that conversation. next subject.

edit: bouwmeester? what about bouwmeester says winner? says playoff stud? wrong player.


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10-21-2012, 05:13 PM
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Green >> Bouwmeester

Orlov/Laich >> rest of that crap
Agreed

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How about Perreault for Iginla?
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hell no from the caps

caps get cammalleri, the most overrated player in hockey, and a 2nd

flames get an amazing d prospect and a useful young center prospect, easily a number one center in calgary's lineup, and a first

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hell no from the caps

caps get cammalleri, the most overrated player in hockey, and a 2nd

flames get an amazing d prospect and a useful young center prospect, easily a number one center in calgary's lineup, and a first
Your a flames fan right?

But to the OP...too much moving around

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Bouwmeester for first, Ward, Galiev?
Next year we let Hamrlik go. Ward+Hamrlik = 6.5 M, so that's not a critical amount of salary going to DC.
Bouw - Green
Alzner - Carlson
Schultz/Schilling/Wey - Orlov
Erskine/Schultz/Schilling/Wey

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hell no from WSH

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10-22-2012, 09:46 AM
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johansson and orlov? lol. not a chance mcphee even entertains that conversation. next subject.

edit: bouwmeester? what about bouwmeester says winner? says playoff stud? wrong player.
That's not what I offered for Bouwmeester.. But for Cammalleri and Giordano I would seriously consider it though.

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That's not what I offered for Bouwmeester.. But for Cammalleri and Giordano I would seriously consider it though.
i know that. i know you badly want capitals trades, but it would be helpful if you looked at the capitals roster with some reality. the capitals have fast tracked both johansson and orlov. they by all accounts love them both. why bother mentioning them in trade threads? mcphee is pretty transparant. you know the players that might be traded. talk about them.

you think mcphee would consider trading brooks laich? i'd say there is no chance. in a salary cap league a player that can play more than one position is a major payroll expander. laich can a quality 3rd player on a top 2 line. he can play a solid 3rd line. he can do that at any of the 3 forward positions. he has and can play first pp unit and 1st pk unit and belong there. add that he is a legit #4-5 defenseman when asked to play there.

i dont really care who the player is coming the other way or how much some caps fans thinks he talks to much or is overpayed. mcphee is not going to trade him.

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Bouwmeester for first, Ward, Galiev?
Next year we let Hamrlik go. Ward+Hamrlik = 6.5 M, so that's not a critical amount of salary going to DC.
Bouw - Green
i can't wait to see that pair and the withering media bash raining down on them come playoff time. good lord

what green needs is a solid and reliable veteran defense first player. think a middle of the lineup/30 year old plus karl alzner.
bouwmeester is not the right player. the caps have green, carlson and orlov as offensive producers on defense. they
dont need bouwmeester

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