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10-22-2012, 10:56 AM
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Tor - Car

To Car: Jake Gardiner + Carter Ashton + Lupul
To Tor: Jeff Skinner + 2013 2nd



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10-22-2012, 10:59 AM
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No chance Carolina does this, Stick to watching football there Marauder

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This is a terrible deal for the Hurricanes, and I'm a blues fan. The canes already have Faulk and Murphy. They don't need Gardiner.

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Skinner doesnt adress enough of a need. Not going to take away from skinner because he is fantastic, but Gardiner is a much bigger need for the leafs.


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10-22-2012, 11:07 AM
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I'd rather have Skinner than Gardiner.

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10-22-2012, 11:29 AM
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No way Carolina does this. Totally guts their depth up front. Skinner is the future and Carolina's blueline isn't their problem.

Toronto probably can't afford to make this deal, either.

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10-22-2012, 11:30 AM
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Skinner doesnt adress enough of a need. Gardiner is equally as good and does not have any injury history.

Not going to take away from skinner because he is fantastic, but Gardiner is a much bigger need for the leafs.
Saying Gardiner is equally good as Skinner is either undervaluing Skinner a whole lot, or Overvaluing Gardiner a whole lot.

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10-22-2012, 11:31 AM
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No way Carolina does this. Totally guts their depth up front. Skinner is the future and Carolina's blueline isn't their problem.

Toronto probably can't afford to make this deal, either.
Eh, Carolina's defense is okay. They need a veteran #1, someone better than Pitkanen and more offensive than Gleason. Faulk is too young to be at that point and McBain isn't good enough. They need a "Timonen-in-his-prime" type of defenseman.

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10-22-2012, 11:33 AM
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Brutal for Carolina.

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Saying Gardiner is equally good as Skinner is either undervaluing Skinner a whole lot, or Overvaluing Gardiner a whole lot.
I think he means that Gardiner is more important for our organization, which is true at the moment. Skinner is one of the best young talents in the NHL, and this trade wouldn't even tempt Carolina

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I think he means that Gardiner is more important for our organization, which is true at the moment. Skinner is one of the best young talents in the NHL, and this trade wouldn't even tempt Carolina
Okay, just read his edit and ya that is understandable from a leafs P.O.V

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This proposal is awful. Gardiner is a real solid rookie/prospect but Carolina has the future PMD position covered between Murphy and Faulk. Ashton also doesn't even begin to make up what the Canes lose in Skinner.

Easy no from Carolina.

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lol carolina hangs up

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Nope. Carolina's goal for the offseason was to add top-6 forwards. They aren't going to trade away their youngest one after accomplishing that just to get back to square one.

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Eh, Carolina's defense is okay. They need a veteran #1, someone better than Pitkanen and more offensive than Gleason. Faulk is too young to be at that point and McBain isn't good enough. They need a "Timonen-in-his-prime" type of defenseman.
Ryan Suter would have been a great fit on Carolina's blueline

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This proposal is awful. Gardiner is a real solid rookie/prospect but Carolina has the future PMD position covered between Murphy and Faulk. Ashton also doesn't even begin to make up what the Canes lose in Skinner.

Easy no from Carolina.
It's not a trade that really makes sense for either side. The LEafs I'm sure would love to have Skinner playing for them (I'd love to see it) and I'm sure the Hurricanes wouldn't say no to have Gardiner either.

However Carolina doesn't need to add dman, they have a huge amount of talented PMD's. Gardiner doesn't make them think about moving Skinner. ANd the Leafs don't exactly need Skinner either. Scoring isn't a huge issue, and we'd be better off getting a center that has some more size and specifically plays a more playmaking game than Skinner does.

It's not the best trade for team needs on either side. Value is off for Carolina too, as much as I'm a Leafs fan and Gardiner is awesome. It's not the worst I've seen but it's not even.

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10-22-2012, 02:54 PM
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I'm glad both sides are on the same page here. This one could have been ugly.

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If Skinner wasn't dealt for Nash, then how on Earth could Gardiner get it done?

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To Car: Jake Gardiner + Carter Ashton
To Tor: Jeff Skinner

Ashton doesnt have nearly the value to bridge the gap between Gardiner and Skinner.

Gardiner + JVR is probably getting closer to reasonable. And even then I dont think they need a Gardiner type of Dman.

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10-22-2012, 04:58 PM
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I can't belive some Leafs fans are saying NO to this

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Obviously the gap between Gardiner and Skinner are pretty far apart at this point. If Gardiner improves in his sophmore year and let's say puts up around 40 points then you can look at this deal a little different. Time will tell but at this point, there is absolutely no way this deal flies.


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10-22-2012, 09:15 PM
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Ashton doesn't look like he has much of future at the NHL level, maybe if he gets lucky, he may pan out as a 3rd liner(which seems like his likely scenario).

Carolina says no to this, need and value-wise they get hosted but I agree with the poster who said Gardiner would be much more important need on our roster and having too many good goal-scorer(Kessel, Lupul, potentially JVR) would really make up for acquiring Skinner. Gardiner was one of our line bright spot on D-core last year and it looks like he will be relied on to carry a bigger load for the next few years.

I say Carolina gets hosted but both teams decline the offer.

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