HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Notices

Rangers during the lockout (12/12: Stepan, McDonagh, Nash, Del Zotto return home)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-19-2012, 11:13 AM
  #276
SoftEuro4thLiner
Registered User
 
SoftEuro4thLiner's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Country: Austria
Posts: 1,949
vCash: 162
McDonagh is just dominant on Barys' Defense, while showing quite some offensive touch - the opponents he faced weren't the best, though. However, big ice seems to come to his advantage.

SoftEuro4thLiner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 10:36 AM
  #277
HatTrick Swayze
Tomato Potato
 
HatTrick Swayze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 8,693
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoftEuro4thLiner View Post
McDonagh is just dominant on Barys' Defense, while showing quite some offensive touch - the opponents he faced weren't the best, though. However, big ice seems to come to his advantage.
Thanks for the report. I would imagine the big ice suits his game really well.

Check out the assist at 6:10:


__________________
"Here we can see the agression of american people. They love fighting and guns. when they wont win they try to kill us all." -HalfOfFame
HatTrick Swayze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 11:25 AM
  #278
RGY
(Jagr68NYR94Leetch)
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 7,731
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HatTrick Swayze View Post
Thanks for the report. I would imagine the big ice suits his game really well.

Check out the assist at 6:10:

Geez what was the score of that game, 12-0?? This is the competition he is playing against? It's almost as if he'd be better off playing in the AHL (and yes I know he can't)

RGY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 11:30 AM
  #279
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by RGY View Post
Geez what was the score of that game, 12-0?? This is the competition he is playing against? It's almost as if he'd be better off playing in the AHL (and yes I know he can't)
He could've played in the AHL if he agreed to a tryout contract with the Whale or any other AHL team. But why would he do that when he can make millions of dollars? This is an elite player who hasn't made over 2m in his career.

Kershaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 11:36 AM
  #280
RGY
(Jagr68NYR94Leetch)
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 7,731
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tortorella View Post
He could've played in the AHL if he agreed to a tryout contract with the Whale or any other AHL team. But why would he do that when he can make millions of dollars? This is an elite player who hasn't made over 2m in his career.
That wasn't really my point at all.

RGY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 11:41 AM
  #281
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by RGY View Post
That wasn't really my point at all.
Agree with your point though. AHL teams are likely better than most KHL teams. So much parity in the AHL, not as much with KHL.

Kershaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 11:51 AM
  #282
haveandare
Registered User
 
haveandare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 5,060
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RGY View Post
Geez what was the score of that game, 12-0?? This is the competition he is playing against? It's almost as if he'd be better off playing in the AHL (and yes I know he can't)
Yeah, I think that about a lot of the highlight goals I see from the KHL. It's always hard to tell if the player was playing incredibly or the D was just terrible.

haveandare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 12:41 PM
  #283
RGY
(Jagr68NYR94Leetch)
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 7,731
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tortorella View Post
Agree with your point though. AHL teams are likely better than most KHL teams. So much parity in the AHL, not as much with KHL.
Quote:
Originally Posted by haveandare View Post
Yeah, I think that about a lot of the highlight goals I see from the KHL. It's always hard to tell if the player was playing incredibly or the D was just terrible.
I understand playing to stay in game shape, but what difference is it between playing actual games and training if that's how half the games go. That was pathetic.

RGY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 01:32 PM
  #284
SoftEuro4thLiner
Registered User
 
SoftEuro4thLiner's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Country: Austria
Posts: 1,949
vCash: 162
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tortorella View Post
Agree with your point though. AHL teams are likely better than most KHL teams. So much parity in the AHL, not as much with KHL.
Sorry, but I disagree here. McDonagh played the worst teams in the KHL, those are indeed terribad. But then there's a huge gap. Teams like SKA, Dynamo, Ak Bars, Salavat or, heck, even Slovan and Novokucneck on the other hand are better (comparing skill) than AHL teams.

I also don't think Astana can afford to pay McDonagh a ****load of money. KHL is the 2nd best league in the world, McD knew this, so he went there.

(This should not get the point in this thread though, as it's like )

SoftEuro4thLiner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 01:39 PM
  #285
BlueshirtBlitz
Rich Nash
 
BlueshirtBlitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 17,589
vCash: 500
That move that he did at the blueline was still great, no matter the competition.

BlueshirtBlitz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 04:47 PM
  #286
Brooklyn Ranger
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Brooklyn, of course
Posts: 7,510
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tortorella View Post
He could've played in the AHL if he agreed to a tryout contract with the Whale or any other AHL team. But why would he do that when he can make millions of dollars? This is an elite player who hasn't made over 2m in his career.
Why do you think he's making a lot of money? Chances are it's a lot less than you think. And McDonagh cannot play in the AHL--he wasn't waiver exempt and he wasn't on a "clear day" (ie playoff) roster for an AHL team.

Chances are he went to KHL to stay in shape, find out how a different league plays and see what another part of the world is like.

Brooklyn Ranger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 05:45 PM
  #287
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklyn Ranger View Post
Why do you think he's making a lot of money? Chances are it's a lot less than you think. And McDonagh cannot play in the AHL--he wasn't waiver exempt and he wasn't on a "clear day" (ie playoff) roster for an AHL team.

Chances are he went to KHL to stay in shape, find out how a different league plays and see what another part of the world is like.
You can sign try out contract with AHL team, then sign a AHL contract. Dwight King did this a few days ago to re-join the Monarchs.

Kershaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-20-2012, 06:41 PM
  #288
Brooklyn Ranger
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Brooklyn, of course
Posts: 7,510
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tortorella View Post
You can sign try out contract with AHL team, then sign a AHL contract. Dwight King did this a few days ago to re-join the Monarchs.
Dwight King played 50 games in the AHL last season and has played significant'y less games in the NHL in his career. I've seen nothing to suggest that McDonagh ever was eligible to do the same thing King just did. If you have a source, now would be a good time to share it.

Brooklyn Ranger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-21-2012, 11:18 PM
  #289
broadwayblue
Registered User
 
broadwayblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,071
vCash: 500
looks like those ads on uniforms might be here sooner than later...

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...eek?xid=cnnbin

broadwayblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-21-2012, 11:36 PM
  #290
I Am Chariot
One shift at a time
 
I Am Chariot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 14,377
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post
looks like those ads on uniforms might be here sooner than later...

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...eek?xid=cnnbin
disgusting

I Am Chariot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-21-2012, 11:38 PM
  #291
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklyn Ranger View Post
Dwight King played 50 games in the AHL last season and has played significant'y less games in the NHL in his career. I've seen nothing to suggest that McDonagh ever was eligible to do the same thing King just did. If you have a source, now would be a good time to share it.
Can't seem to find a source, but Taylor Hall is skating with the OKC Barons.

He was not named to the cutoff roster to the AHL team, yet he's slated to join them in November.

This means that if the lockout is still in effect by November, Hall will likely sign a AHL contract to play with the team. He has played more NHL games than McDonagh.

Edit: NYRFAN218 explains it 2 posts down.


Last edited by Kershaw: 10-21-2012 at 11:48 PM.
Kershaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-21-2012, 11:41 PM
  #292
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post
looks like those ads on uniforms might be here sooner than later...

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...eek?xid=cnnbin
Dont mind ads on jerseys if it's less clustered like Arsenal. In the case of Arsenal, everyone knows Fly Emirates as the Arsenal jersey, not the real brand itself. lol.

Kershaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-21-2012, 11:44 PM
  #293
NYRFAN218
Brass God
 
NYRFAN218's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 11,449
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tortorella View Post
Can't seem to find a source, but Taylor Hall is skating with the OKC Barons.

He was not named to the cutoff roster to the AHL team, yet he's slated to join them in November.

This means that if the lockout is still in effect by November, Hall will likely sign a AHL contract to play with the team. He has played more NHL games than McDonagh.
Hall is only 20 and didn't hit the GP requirement of 160 for his age. Table here should explain it better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_sal...r_waivers_only

__________________
http://hfboards.com/image.php?u=53946&type=sigpic&dateline=1320361610
NYRFAN218 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-22-2012, 07:26 AM
  #294
nyr2k2
Can't Beat Him
 
nyr2k2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Country: United States
Posts: 22,305
vCash: 500
Awards:
RANGERS PROPERTY
PlayerGamesGoalsAssistsPoints+/-PIMTeam/League
Hagelin, Carl4257+50Södertälje SK/HA
McDonagh, Ryan3033+50HC Barys Astana/KHL
Nash, Rick87310+40HC Davos/NLA

__________________

It's just pain.
nyr2k2 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
10-22-2012, 04:45 PM
  #295
Brooklyn Ranger
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Brooklyn, of course
Posts: 7,510
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tortorella View Post
Can't seem to find a source, but Taylor Hall is skating with the OKC Barons.

He was not named to the cutoff roster to the AHL team, yet he's slated to join them in November.

This means that if the lockout is still in effect by November, Hall will likely sign a AHL contract to play with the team. He has played more NHL games than McDonagh.

Edit: NYRFAN218 explains it 2 posts down.
If Hall has played in more NHL games than McDonagh he cannot play in the AHL during the lockout. However, since he is rehabbing a hockey related injury (if I remember correctly), the team (with his approval) can assign him to the AHL for 2 weeks. Once the two weeks are up, Hall will be locked out like everyone else (assuming he's healthy).

Brooklyn Ranger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-22-2012, 04:49 PM
  #296
RGY
(Jagr68NYR94Leetch)
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 7,731
vCash: 500
Don't want skating billboards on the ice. Looks like a ****ing circus. The NHL is already circus as it is compared to other sports, no need to make it worse considering you don't see the NFL, MLB, NBA doing that.

RGY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-22-2012, 04:57 PM
  #297
NYRFAN218
Brass God
 
NYRFAN218's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 11,449
vCash: 500
Should have stated it but Hall IS eligible to play in the AHL. He's still on his ELC and the waiver rules state that at age 20 you either have to have played 160+ games or signed the NHL contract 3 years ago. Hall meets neither requirement so he can play in the AHL.

To use McDonagh as an example, he's currently 23. At 23 you either have had to sign your first NHL contract 3 years ago or play 60 NHL games, whichever comes first. McD has obviously played 60+ games so he's not eligible to play in the AHL.

Using Stepan now, same rules apply as McD except it's 70+ games now as he's only 22. Stepan's played 164 NHL games so he isn't eligible either.

NYRFAN218 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-22-2012, 05:03 PM
  #298
ColonialsHockey10
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 9,049
vCash: 500
It's almost like the rules are catered to crippling the Whale roster (even though it's obviously not).

We're practically the only team that isn't able to send down any young NHLers.

ColonialsHockey10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-22-2012, 05:53 PM
  #299
ColonialsHockey10
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 9,049
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYRFAN218 View Post
Should have stated it but Hall IS eligible to play in the AHL. He's still on his ELC and the waiver rules state that at age 20 you either have to have played 160+ games or signed the NHL contract 3 years ago. Hall meets neither requirement so he can play in the AHL.

To use McDonagh as an example, he's currently 23. At 23 you either have had to sign your first NHL contract 3 years ago or play 60 NHL games, whichever comes first. McD has obviously played 60+ games so he's not eligible to play in the AHL.

Using Stepan now, same rules apply as McD except it's 70+ games now as he's only 22. Stepan's played 164 NHL games so he isn't eligible either.
Travis Hamonic: 22 years old, over 130 NHL games, drafted in 2008?

Sorry I just don't get it.

ColonialsHockey10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-22-2012, 06:38 PM
  #300
NYRFAN218
Brass God
 
NYRFAN218's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 11,449
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonialsHockey10 View Post
Travis Hamonic: 22 years old, over 130 NHL games, drafted in 2008?

Sorry I just don't get it.
Interesting. Maybe that chart is inaccurate. Islanders Point Blank cites 160 games as the mark as why Hamonic couldn't be sent down.

http://islanderspointblank.com/news/...-lockouts-end/

Who the **** knows though. Seemed like that made the most sense.

NYRFAN218 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:01 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.