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10-23-2012, 09:28 AM
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I think Schultz is supposed to have higher upside, but Gardiner has a successful rookie campaign under his belt. As for who will be better....it'll be close but i'll say Schultz. Partly beause of his higher upside and partly because of the offensive talents he'll be playing with over there.

Can't go wrong with either though

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10-23-2012, 09:30 AM
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Schultz isn't disappointing in the A, but Gardiner was named to the NHL's all rookie team after leading all rookie defensemen in scoring, and scoring the majority of his 30 points in the second half alone. That's damn impressive.

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10-23-2012, 09:46 AM
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Gardiner did well with 30 points in his rookie season. "Excelled" is a little much. He exceeded expectations, that's all.
He was able to skate effortlessly(at least he made it look that way) around NHL teams and create scoring opportunities.

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NHLer vs Hype?

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10-23-2012, 10:27 AM
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NHLer vs Hype?
Does that apply across the board ?

Mike Komisarek is an NHLer, as opposed to Morgan Rielly who is all hype at this point.

Who would you rather have, and judging by your beliefs it would be the NHLer and you would likely be in the minority of Leaf fans in that regard?.

FWIW - Ray Ferraro of TSN listed his Canadian Olympic team roster predictions for the Sochi in 2014 for the next Olympic team, and had Justin Schultz listed as a potential candidate to represent his country. That is pretty big hype as you call it to earn early consideration at this point .. I think Jake Gardiner has a possibility to be named to team USA also if he continues to develop as expected.

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Does that apply across the board ?

Mike Komisarek is an NHLer, as opposed to Morgan Rielly who is all hype at this point.

Who would you rather have, and judging by your beliefs it would be the NHLer and you would likely be in the minority of Leaf fans in that regard?.

FWIW - Ray Ferraro of TSN listed his Canadian Olympic team roster predictions for the Sochi in 2014 for the next Olympic team, and had Justin Schultz listed as a potential candidate to represent his country. That is pretty big hype as you call it to earn early consideration at this point .. I think Jake Gardiner has a possibility to be named to team USA also if he continues to develop as expected.
Komisarek is quite a bit older than Rielly.

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10-23-2012, 10:37 AM
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Both are very good players and obviously Gardiner is more proven and better right now, but if I were to pick between one of the two going forward, I would go with Schultz, his ceiling is a little higher, his defensive is more refine and well-rounded, and his offensive game is also better.

Again, they are going to be far apart, but I think Schultz is going to be more slightly well-rounded in almost everything.

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10-23-2012, 10:38 AM
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Komisarek is quite a bit older than Rielly.
Not the point.

Can't always judge a book by its cover, and current NHLer doesn't guarantee >> than any future NHLer in a debate as to whom is better at this time, verse who will be better long-term. "A bird in the hand, is better than two in the bush" does not always apply here.

Its a theory that has more holes than Swiss cheese when assessing potential and talent based on what one can see today verses what could be tomorrow.

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10-23-2012, 10:59 AM
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Schultz was better in Wisco (I watch the Badgers), but Gardiner adjusted really well to the NHL... that's not to say Schultz won't, cause he likely will. It's the homer in me, but I'd take Gardiner.

McDonagh-Gardiner-Schultz-McBain-Ramage, not to mention Jake McCabe.

Man Wisco is a D-man factory, I love it.

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10-23-2012, 11:15 AM
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Schultz may have serious trouble in the nhl if he's still only around 160 lbs

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Schultz may have serious trouble in the nhl if he's still only around 160 lbs
http://www.okcbarons.com/index.cfm?fa=roster

They have him listed at 185. Could still put on a little but he can still play in the NHL at that weight.

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It might not be in the future, but why does that matter? It's not like Schultz determines how good Gardiner gets. If Schultz becomes the next Nik Lidstrom, that doesn't mean Gardiner isn't a good player.
that's exactly my point. i don't know why we need to reassure ourselves that gardiner is or will be better than schultz. it makes no difference. but some people seem to need that comfort.

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10-23-2012, 01:11 PM
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Schultz was better in Wisco (I watch the Badgers), but Gardiner adjusted really well to the NHL... that's not to say Schultz won't, cause he likely will. It's the homer in me, but I'd take Gardiner.

McDonagh-Gardiner-Schultz-McBain-Ramage, not to mention Jake McCabe.

Man Wisco is a D-man factory, I love it.
Hey don't forget Dman and Wings 1st round pick in 2007 Brendan Smith a local Toronto kid.

He was a teammate of Gardiner and Schultz at Wisconsin.

2009-10 Stats at U of Wisc.

Brendan Smith
- (age 20).. 42 games 15 goals 37 assists 52 points 76 pims

Justin Schultz - (age 19) .. 43 games 6 goals 16 assists 22 points 12 pms

Jake Gardiner - (age 19) .. 41 games 6 goals 7 assists 13 points 20 pims

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Hey don't forget Dman and Wings 1st round pick in 2007 Brendan Smith a local Toronto kid.

He was a teammate of Gardiner and Schultz at Wisconsin.

2009-10 Stats at U of Wisc.

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- (age 20).. 42 games 15 goals 37 assists 52 points 76 pims

Justin Schultz - (age 19) .. 43 games 6 goals 16 assists 22 points 12 pms

Jake Gardiner - (age 19) .. 41 games 6 goals 7 assists 13 points 20 pims
Good call. He's going to flourish this season, if there is one.

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10-23-2012, 03:15 PM
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If schultz has higher upside then why was he drafted in the 2nd round and gardiner in the 1st in the same draft year

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If schultz has higher upside then why was he drafted in the 2nd round and gardiner in the 1st in the same draft year
If Jamie Benn has higher upside than Zach Hamill, why was he drafted in the 4th round when Hamill went 8th overall in the same draft year? Checkmate, Dallas.

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10-23-2012, 03:51 PM
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Who knows. Both will be very good. Rielly will be better though

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10-23-2012, 03:58 PM
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Both dominated? Schultz has played four games in the AHL. A bit small of a sample size.

Brunnstrom scored a hat trick in his first NHL game... was he a dominant NHL player?
I agree. Which makes my point even stronger. I was just trying to be generous to Schultz.

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Gardiner did well with 30 points in his rookie season. "Excelled" is a little much. He exceeded expectations, that's all.
30 points, played 21:35 per game, in all situations, and was named defensive rookie of the year.

He wasn't even expected to make the team.

A little more than exceeded expectations.

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10-23-2012, 04:00 PM
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Not the point.

Can't always judge a book by its cover, and current NHLer doesn't guarantee >> than any future NHLer in a debate as to whom is better at this time, verse who will be better long-term. "A bird in the hand, is better than two in the bush" does not always apply here.

Its a theory that has more holes than Swiss cheese when assessing potential and talent based on what one can see today verses what could be tomorrow.
Why is this point only brought up about Leaf prospects? Every fanbase can go gaga over their future talent.

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Schultz bit off more than he can chew in signing with Edmonton. Right now, I take Gardiner. He has done it in the NHL unlike Schultz.

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Gardiner did well with 30 points in his rookie season. "Excelled" is a little much. He exceeded expectations, that's all.
before the season started everyone had gards in the AHL, i say putting up 30 points in the NHL is "excelling"

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I agree. Which makes my point even stronger. I was just trying to be generous to Schultz.


30 points, played 21:35 per game, in all situations, and was named defensive rookie of the year.

He wasn't even expected to make the team.

A little more than exceeded expectations.
Is defensive rookie of the year an award?

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before the season started everyone had gards in the AHL, i say putting up 30 points in the NHL is "excelling"
30 points is indeed a good season. Funny how Subban scoring 38 points in his rookie season generated so much negative discussions on these forums. If only he played for the Leafs.

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Does that apply across the board ?

Mike Komisarek is an NHLer, as opposed to Morgan Rielly who is all hype at this point.

Who would you rather have, and judging by your beliefs it would be the NHLer and you would likely be in the minority of Leaf fans in that regard?.

FWIW - Ray Ferraro of TSN listed his Canadian Olympic team roster predictions for the Sochi in 2014 for the next Olympic team, and had Justin Schultz listed as a potential candidate to represent his country. That is pretty big hype as you call it to earn early consideration at this point .. I think Jake Gardiner has a possibility to be named to team USA also if he continues to develop as expected.
Clearly I was implying that they're very similar players with similar potential, the difference is one is all hype and the other is a proven NHLer.

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Is defensive rookie of the year an award?
Not one with a shiny little trophy, but I don't see how that makes any difference.

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